Including noob, there are a few more. And most of the ones that can't dash can punish it anyways with a special move or on FB. You can't just wildly throw out f24 gs or your just going to get more damage than reward and the only way ground skulls can keep you safe with most of the cast is at Mac range by barely hitting the front of their toes. If you get the range down then it can be a great tool, very oppressive for people that don't understand how to get past it. For those that do. You have to back dash alot and be careful when you throw skulls. It's always a mix up on the different projectiles. If you know that your opponent is going to rush in with a dash or a move then the a straight skull. On hit it's plus 16 so it sets you up for many of his moves. So if you get one on hit then you can move in, you have to play around and see which moves at which range. Whole new game now, so You have to keep extremely safe with him now. Going for his f243 kb for damage in rounds that need the extra damage and you need the damage from his soul steal. Only problem with that is that, it's just like waiting to get punished when you turn back if you don't get a touch on your opponent. There are setups that i have for most of the characters. But with out a touch it's extremely risky to use soul steal. They should have made his change back blockable, better players will time their combos so that when he changes back he gets punished twice and even if don't get hit and your setups didn't work, you are still susceptable to a free combo on the opponents part. So essentially soul steal is more needed than it was pre patch, but that could also mean sudden death for shang with any combo they decide to use that's thirty percent, plus another 30 percent combo.
While I'm happy that ST only got a little scratch in this latest patch, if only they did something to Soultaker's SS cancels.
Can we please stop pretending that losing a fifth of your damage for no reason and getting nothing in return is "just a scratch"?
So getting 300 dmg from a random jumpkick easy hitconfirmable is normal damage? 300-350 for 1meter is normal damage for a zoner after any hit? Come on now lets calm down lol lets not pretend his dmg was "normal" prepatch.
Right, I had no idea Shang's jump kick were unblockable and could hit you anywhere on screen. Also immune to AA's I suppose?
Shangs jk is one of the best and many ppl try to AA it, so yeah u get alot of random jk's to hit
So because they can't AA/walk back punish, Shang's damage had to be gutted. Gotcha.
TL;DR: Shang has a considerably more unfavourable risk/reward game. Pre-patch damage was good and also necessary cause people NEEDED TO FEAR IT. Now that they don't they can get in your face for way lower risk, and Shang loses up close against most characters.
Additionaly, some people here are trying to convince me that Shang is perfectly fine and not bad at all.
What should I be doing after a jump kick connects? I don't know the optimal combo.
Amplified (far)groundskulls into far groundskulls is what i used iirc.
The downplaying is real lol.
1. F3/F4 mix. F3 is an Overhead but -7
Man show me proof I'm wrong or stop talking. I don't really care about your opinion at this point because a) you don't even play Shang seriously and b) it's basic math. Less damage = your opponent literally loses less life when they make a mistake = they can make more mistakes. Basic logic doesn't stop existing simply because you don't like it.
I get what your saying but you make it look like shang does less damage now then jade did.
Yeah, please go more in depth. F3/4 seems pretty risky considering f4 is a high and I couldn’t find anything that jailed it, and F3 causes a kd. What does Shang do for Oki? Is s3 his best punish? 114 seems stubby for a lot of things. I saw f2 is -3 and that’s sweet for the FB counter poke meta, B1 is nice and staggering that leads to getting the KB more, Id assume. S3 as a stagger sorta boggles me though, I couldnt get it to jail off d1 or d3, but I was probably not timing it well enough. Where’s the low oh mix tho? I need that.
But this line of thinking is odd, too, no? I want to play Shang and am trying to learn him, i don’t have a dog in this race, but Id like to see you two have a rational argument. I’m on the fence, I think lowered damage really hurts Shang, BUT I know his playstyle hasn’t changed at all and he can still control the screen in certain matchups. But ~6% less per hit is a fucking huge deal. I don’t see how it wouldn’t be.
rely more on his normals , they're actually really damn good. his zoning is everything.
"7 mistakes" is an exaggeration considering all combos outside of a far EX ground eruption result in at least 25% of damage.
F3/F4 mix is all about conditioning your opponent. F3 and F4 look pretty similar, so your opponent has to guess which one is it. I don't believe that its a risk because your opponent has to know that you are going for the F4 and if you don't they get hit and it starts all over again. As far as jailing goes, my go to is B3 since you get an extra 5 frames to press a button and it's a low and it has 10F start-up, also to 2 blockstrings (B3U4/B3D4).
Kill Frames
B1D2 (High, Overhead) KB
Youre my official favorite TYM member.