You're reading it wrong. That's start-up at 21 frames.
Ya he should, you big silly. And no one’s downplaying him, we all agree he’s good. But every time someone loses to a Sub-Zero, it’s never that players fault. It’s always Sub-Zero is just too strong. “I don’t need to change, the game needs to change for me!”
Disagreed. Take away this and Sub-Zero isn't able to knock out a rabbit. He kind of needs it to have any chance to win.
Preeetty sure the MK series is all about PREDICTION and FAMILIARISING yourself with each character's kombo strings, so that you can KOUNTER accordingly, as do the majority of fighting games isn't it?
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Sorry my bad. Now let's go back to Sub xD
I feel the hate for characters having low and overhead strings is stemmed by the fact throws are 50/50 too and alot of characters either lack overheads or lows and have to rely on their low or overhead string with throws to condition their opponent. Characters with both low and overhead combo strings have literally 3 options low/overhead/or throw
But in the same vein that is the way it is in any and almost all fighting games. So one or even multiple characters have this. Like I said If any complaining about this were to switch to a game like BB, unist, GG, or even Tekken this a staple in most fighting games. The only time I have ever seen where the majority of the cast doesn’t have some level of high low mix up was in SF. And even then Ken in SFV has said high low mix, and Dudley has it in SF4. For the most part this is what adds diversity to the game. Personally I agree with you and I’d rather them make throws mapped to just the throw button like in Injustice and SF, that way throws would be easier to tech. But in any game that you play your going to run into character with heavy mix up. Like I said in injustice one the half that cast had fast overheads and the community just adapted. Everyone thought that Killer frost was gonna run the game cause she had a safe slide that was a low starter and a 16 frame overhead and then by month 4 through 6 of the games life no one cared about her. And her vortex was completely safe, could also be started from range, even greater range then subzero and because of the game wake up system she could potentially do it even when knocked down. And even if you blocked the slide she had parry to blow up your options to check her. None of this help that character when a single major. Chaotic and PR Rog where the two BEST KF players and all the 50/50 people were scared of didn’t let them win a single major tournament. I’m sure online they claimed soul after soul but it just wasn’t enough offline. I could be wrong but I think a good majority of the “Sub-Zero mix hate” comes from people who’s primary source of game play happens in an online setting. And sure the threat of throw is obnoxious but then again so is the threat of going for a throw and losing half your life because of a D2 KB. Even then Sonya herself has even dumber mix up because she DOES actually have a safe overhead and low option built into her string and when you get opened up it’s massive damage for a single bar. Ultimately it’s going to come down to just sitting in training mode and training yourself to react to the animation of the high, that’s how most people react to things like that. You train yourself to react to the animation not axe themselves.
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I apologize if I left you confused, but I was agreeing with powpeepew's comments underneath the video, not necessarily the video itself. I main Sub-Zero and agree with your points; I want him to remain precisely the way he is.
I agree honestly b14 is only plus 10 so I think that is fine but standing 2 and b32 they can lose some of their frame advantage B32 is +16 that can be toned down to +11 or 12. +16 is too much. And same with standing 2 they is actually no reason for that move to be +20 but I tested his OH being reactable, and I assure you 100% offline it is reactable. It may still catch you raw if they just run up and do it, but even then that is a minor annoyance.
question is, why does he even have an overhead?
NRS had this crazy idea to make each of the characters /different/. The balls on those guys I swear.
Y’all gotta stop spreading this lie. The brain neutral string is fuzzyable, yes, but you can walk forward in those six frames and still low starter.
Sub-zero gets a true-vortex midscreen and ya'll defend it by saying its fuzzyable (bs) or.... reactable... at 19frames... ? Wat.
This. Sub zero in this game reminds me of scorpion in mk9 high risk character, but with less pressure strings. If you get blocked doing a f2 to baraka your eating a 40% combo at the least. His b321 string is safe and fairly easy to confirm into ice ball but I can't confirm f2
The blender isn’t insanely damaging though. And if you block the overhead you’re free to do your characters 20-40% punish kombo and whatever other dirty shit they have for oki.
You don't need zoning to be top tier lol.
I have no horse in this race but this is BS lol. No one is actually reacting to 16 frames, reminds me of that GGA guy's open bet for people to block nightwing's 50/50 and no one stepped up, for good reason.
