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19 can be done. human reaction on average visually is .250 . 19/60 = is about .32 seconds. It's a little more complicated than that but it's reactable.
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19 can be done. human reaction on average visually is .250 . 19/60 = is about .32 seconds. It's a little more complicated than that but it's reactable.
Yes you do. Zoning is strong in this game.
He has ex iceball/iceball which wins every fucking trade! If i hit him full screen with cetrion's boulder why can he still travel across the full screen and hit me?????????????????????? Come on now.
You have at least two other zoning moves that recover faster than your boulder don’t you.
I’ve said repeatedly that I don’t think Sub belongs in S+ tier with Geras, EB, and Scorp, but saying he struggles with zoning is disingenuous. He’s had anti-zoning built into his core game strategy for nearly 30 years. Playing smart and patient with him puts the onus on any zoner to figure out how they can beat you.
Bro he have ex ice ball and slide sub zero have no issue with zoning even regular ice ball good on trade lol.
This is why i don't like talking to sub-zero players remember when they said vanilla clone was perfectly fair
From my experience, they're worse than Scorpion players. Scorpion players are usually aware of how cheap Scorpion is, so they just live and let live. A Scorpion player wouldn't really challenge you on how hard it is to use him. Sub Zero players on the other hand are usually arrogant, and think all is well. I came to the conclusion that they think just because they don't use Scorpion, they have the moral high ground. They also seem to tbag after matches too. As if 50/50s and a projectile eating ice ball requires any brain power.
What if there was a Sub-Zero player who also plays Scorpion, like myself? Neither Scorpion nor Sub-Zero are cheap in this game, but I will tell you that Scorpion can be made to have more 50/50 mix-ups than Sub, he gets 40% for 1 bar, 38-39% off an anti-air (S3/S4), has the same obnoxious pokes that Sub-Zero has and not only has more mids, but they also hit from further ranges.
Who’s the 7 or 8 I’m curious?
You don’t have both those moves in a variation. Regular ice ball doesn’t go through projectiles.
Dude it is NOT reactable. AT 19f you can react that there's a move coming out, but you cannot react to tell which move that is. Do I need to bring back the Saucy Jack challenge again???
Scorpion, Geras, Sonya, Erron Bleck, Jacqui, Cassie, Liu borderline Baraka but possibly not. Sub is top 10 I won't take that from anyone but you'd think he was Takatan Alien at her release the way people are reacting.
So you think because his regular ice ball doesn't go through projectiles, he doesn't win the zoning war?
Have you seen the start up of iceball? Compared to other projectiles? Yes it is a very useful tool but it is absolutely not an I win button for every projectile trade. I'm sure the answer is no.
So then we agree on everything but zoning. He has no way in either variation to overcome elite zoning with mids and he doesn’t have the best neutral moves or frames when he gets into mid range. He just has a strong mix up that has a ton of risk.
This 19 frame move is totally reacatable because it's identifiable on frame 1. This isn't like some bullshit poorly designed GuiltyGear overhead where the low and overhead look the same for the first 10 frames.
Did you bother reading what I replied to?
This user thinks Sub can both Ex Ice Ball and Slide. They haven't even bothered to look at the character's movelist before complaining about a matchup. He doesn't win the zoning war because he doesn't play the zoning war, he gets in to do his dirt. And there is no trade on regular Ice Ball unless you use a dumb move that you shouldn't use often in the matchup like Skarlet's low projectile. No sense complaining about something that wouldn't work if you didn't take unnecessary risks.
I never said he had both in one variation. Sub does win the ice ball trade WTF lol.
