UMK3 Tier list discussion

[Action Kungfu]

Cyrax and Mileena ftw

Shit yeah

 

[MKF30]

I'm retartedly attracted to using Low Tier characters :cry:

Cyrax and Mileena ftw

Yep, same here. I can't use Mileena for shit but Cyrax is fun, like MKA I love using Fujin I love winning with Fujin in MKA and Cyrax in MKA and in UMK3. MK:A I think he just really sucks....

 

[Derek]

I'm retartedly attracted to using Low Tier characters :cry:

Cyrax and Mileena ftw

Learn a fucking ninja you scrub! <3

The teleport punch makes it so hard for Reptile to do forceball traps. You have to fake the buffer movement and hope they have a hair trigger response. It works similarly with getting people to just jump over what they assume will be a forceball.

Baiting teleport punches in the hopes of getting a 50%+ punisher when you're playing Reptile is a bit risky don't ya think? Still I know Reptile is the "better" character between him and Ermac but I think since Ermac is easier to use that he should swap places with Reptile. Fuck yo tier list nucca! lol

 

[MKK hanzo]

Still I know Reptile is the "better" character between him and Ermac but I think since Ermac is easier to use that he should swap places with Reptile. Fuck yo tier list nucca! lol

Not only ermac is easier, he has more Juggle/combo oportunities to land damaging stuff and also... Ermac Tlpt > Any Rept rushdown. Over in a Sec.

 

[ded]

Thats why you put forceballs in run jab pressure you noobs?.... Oh i forgot you cant play as Reptile... too bad ;]

 

[Shock]

I didn't say either character was better, I explained a problem Reptile faces. Hoping for a bad teleport when you're a good Reptile player isn't so risky because there are simply ways to bait it and you're always in control, and there are tons of different situations that will come out of it. By baiting you are setting up many scenarios but you have to make sure you know what you're doing. Honestly, there's no one on XBL whom I've seen effectively use step baiting but for some reason people can use it with Ermac, they probably don't think about it.

Reptile stepping will generally either make them run in, jump in, or teleport.

If they teleport, the end result is simple.

If they run in, HK, sweep, or run jab kara cancel, to combo or uppercut, maybe another forceball etc.

If they jump in, depending on the distance you can RH, aaHP to forceball, or just uppercut/HK, but whatever you do don't do a forceball while they are in the air because that will result in you taking a JK or they can teleport. If you aaHP and they TP, you can block the TP, but if you RH too early you will take a TP and that sets up their rush down. If you whiff an uppercut you might still be able to block a TP cancel. If you connect a RH, doing a forceball afterwards is easily escapable with a teleport punch.

As you can see, whether or not they do a TP highly dictates the pace of the match and scenarios. The only time I would suggest using a forceball is if their teleport will not bring them off the screen which is why it's good to sometimes mix up with RJs, but still it's possible to get around, however after they do TP to get away, the forceball is either doing to hit them, they will block it, or it'll make them move, setting them up in a bad situation.

 

[ded]

yep yep! rj + slow forceball into escaping teleport ermac cause -> fast forceball to him (reverse controls b,b, is becoming into f,f, hp+lp) oll:

 

[MKF30]

Wow, lots of debate with Reptile vs. Ermac isn't there lol ol:

 

[FILER]

I have alot more trouble playing against a good Reptile than a good Ermac. Reptile is kind of like Kabal for me....I have to play completely different against him.

 

[DemonsBoxer]

What's the point of having a tier list? I think whoever is the better player will win simple as that.

 

[RoGE]

Seriously man, you turn Reptile into a God tier with skills like that.
You break the game every time you even pick him

 

[dreemernj]

What's the point of having a tier list? I think whoever is the better player will win simple as that.

That would only be completely true if all the characters were equally powerful. But they aren't unfortunately. The game is well balanced so the tier list isn't going to dictate who wins or loses. But if its Kabal vs Sheeva, the Sheeva has to be very good to eek out a win.

The Tier list, more than anything, is a guide to people new to the game. It's basically a finger on the pulse of the community playing the game. It tells someone who people think is most powerful and why. If you compare sheeva and Kabal there's no real way to say their places should be reversed, but if you look at people that are ranked right next to each other, the order is difficult to really say and it becomes more a matter of top, mid and bottom tier more than anything.

 

[MKF30]

Was just going to say that ^ but dreemer beat me to the punch, if everyone was literally "exactly the same" then that could be a canon point but that's not the case.

Can someone be good with low tier Cyrax or MKA Fujin? Yes, is it easy? umm hell no.

There are certain characters that are simply a "challenge" to use compared to others.

Example, don't care how good someone is with say Stryker, if they're very good with Stryker and playing someone that's insane with Reptile or Ermac say, the Stryker player will have no chance virtually unless he has something called luck on his side seriously.

Or say MKA for example, Fujin or Cyrax(once again low tier) two low tier characters taking on Scorpion or Sareena (top tier characters) it's a losing match going in BUT is possible for the lower tiers to win, just near to impossible thus why we have a tier system rank in fighting games in general. :wink:

 

[darxyde]

I agree with DemonBoxer. Whoever is the better player will win MOST of the time. Unless it's a completely lopsided selection like Kabal/Sheeva or H.Smoke/Shang.

konqrr's Cyrax gave me a very tough time, don't remember if I won or lost, but the point is a veteran of UMK3 with knowledge of the char they're using will give ANYONE some trouble. Doesn't matter if it's Kabal or Sheeva.

 

[abc ur dead0]

I agree with DemonBoxer. Whoever is the better player will win MOST of the time. Unless it's a completely lopsided selection like Kabal/Sheeva or H.Smoke/Shang.

konqrr's Cyrax gave me a very tough time, don't remember if I won or lost, but the point is a veteran of UMK3 with knowledge of the char they're using will give ANYONE some trouble. Doesn't matter if it's Kabal or

QFT.

 

[O Juggernaut 0]

I agree with DemonBoxer. Whoever is the better player will win MOST of the time. Unless it's a completely lopsided selection like Kabal/Sheeva or H.Smoke/Shang.

konqrr's Cyrax gave me a very tough time, don't remember if I won or lost, but the point is a veteran of UMK3 with knowledge of the char they're using will give ANYONE some trouble. Doesn't matter if it's Kabal or Sheeva.

Thats not the point. If the two players are exactly the same skill level thats where tier list comes in. Liu Kang beating Kabal?

Of course the better player will win. But if skill level's equal than... baby ol:

 

[Konqrr]

I think, with the suggestions from Pink Godzilla in the DS threads, that Cyrax has a potential infininte bomb setup with a far bomb and aaJK. Saying this is true, would this move him up on the list a bit? I've gotten the second far bomb to break and my opponent unable to jump out, so I think we're on to something here ^_^

While I agree on both sides of this discussion, on the point that DarXyd3 made, I play a more solid game when I am Cyrax or Sheeva than if I am someone like Kabal or Reptile because I know I don't have the easily abusable moves at my disposal. I think that if I was to fight DarXyd3 to ten using either Sheeva or Kabal I'd probably get more wins with Sheeva

 

[DarkMoon]

I think that if I was to fight DarXyd3 to ten using either Sheeva or Kabal I'd probably get more wins with Sheeva

Plus you are good at MK2 and IMO playing Sheeva feels like I am playing a MK2 char.

 

[MKF30]

I think, with the suggestions from Pink Godzilla in the DS threads, that Cyrax has a potential infininte bomb setup with a far bomb and aaJK. Saying this is true, would this move him up on the list a bit? I've gotten the second far bomb to break and my opponent unable to jump out, so I think we're on to something here ^_^

While I agree on both sides of this discussion, on the point that DarXyd3 made, I play a more solid game when I am Cyrax or Sheeva than if I am someone like Kabal or Reptile because I know I don't have the easily abusable moves at my disposal. I think that if I was to fight DarXyd3 to ten using either Sheeva or Kabal I'd probably get more wins with Sheeva

I agree man, Cyrax I still say and always be a tad bit underrated personally...I mean, I actually don't mind playing against Good Kabal's like Hanzo's for example, the jab, jab, jab cancelled by block works like a gem on Kabal dashes hehe ol: I must admit dizgirl's tactic does pay off lol. 8)

 

[PROPHIT 666]

SEKTOR ANYONE? WAS HOPING MY RED ROBOT WOULDVE CLIMBED THE LIST BY NOW.....

 

[Kaiba]

Sektor is not that great. Quite frankly I still have yet to hear good reason on why Sektor > Classic Sub. CSZ>>>Sektor in head to head and IMO its easier for CSZ to have a better overall chance against everyone higher in the tier.

 

[O Juggernaut 0]

Where's the counter character guide Shock!!! lol

 

[NobilityV3]

Sektor is not that great. Quite frankly I still have yet to hear good reason on why Sektor > Classic Sub. CSZ>>>Sektor in head to head and IMO its easier for CSZ to have a better overall chance against everyone higher in the tier.

Classic Sub is easy to counter. Unless you don't have a good defense you can get crushed by Sektor.

 

[Kaiba]

Its just as easy to counter Sektor. Like I said before oll:
The Homing Missles need the range to be launched properly and connect. The missiles are very easily slideable at close range and JP over into pop up and Sektor's done for the round. His TP is useless on the ground and Classic Sub is a handful if you battle on the ground. For a Sektor to really get a good chance of beating a Classic Sub is for him to get Sub airborne. If not Sektor does not really stand much of a chance.

 

[PROPHIT 666]

MY SEKTOR IS A POWERHOUSE AGAINST MOST TOP TIER CHARACTERS ESPECIALLY KABAL AND NIGHTWOLF. HIS DUMB MISSILE RECOVERY TIME IS FAIRLY QUICKER THAN MOST PROJECTILES,AND WHEN USED AGGRESSIVELY,HE CAN REALLY THROW OFF MOST PLAYERS. MOST SEKTORS IVE PLYD AGAINST EITHER TURTLE OR JUST PLAY TOO PREDICTABLE.THEY RATHER GO ROBO SMOKE FOR COMBO DAMAGE AND AIR THROW.TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT FIGHT STYLES THOUGH. SEKTOR IS THE PERFECT MIX OF AGGRESSIVE/PRECISE.AND IVE PLYD PLENTY A CLASSIC SUB WHO CANT HANDLE WHAT THE ROBOT DISHES OUT.