Combo List - Ferra/Torr The FerraTory - Laboratory of Combos [XL Update Pending]

[Pudding&Pie]

Which combo is that? I've been doing the PnG run cancel 11,2+4 one.

the regular one. starter xxPnG RC f2, f2, d1, d1, d1, d1, 4~dbf1

 

[ll Nooby ll]

Best 1 bar I came up with in Ruthless. (Thanks @Pudding&Pie )

Something, PnG rc, F2, NJP, F3, 4~EX BF2, D3, B121~DBF1

Does 46 or 47 off B121.

 

[Pudding&Pie]

Best 1 bar I came up with in Relentless.

Something, PnG rc, F2, NJP, F3, 4~EX BF2, D3, B121~DBF1

Does 46 or 47 off B121.

ruthless lol

 

[AceOfKnaves]

I know theres probably more optimal but this is what I;ve come up with thus far just messing around:

R/V:
f2, f3, 2f4, ex bowl girl, 11,2f4 34%

Ruthless:
Corner:
b232+4, njp, f4, 2f4xxDeep stab/> 29%
b232+4, njp, f4, 2f4xxEXBowl Girl, f, f2, 2f4xxDeep stab >34%
b121xx OnG cancel 112+4, d3, d1,d1,d1,d1, 2f4xxEX bowl girl, f, f2, 2f4xx Deep stab > 42%

 

[Trauma_and_Pain]

All this is just a few things I've found so far. I think it's all optimal or pretty close.

Best Vicious punish I've found so far for a bar. It's so much stronger than any meterless punish I've discovered that I think Vicious should prioritize meter mostly for punishes.

Fullscreen ex Bowl Girl starter combo.

Ending after ex Ferra Toss confused me at first cuz Vicious/Ruthless can't use any specials without Ferra. This just illustrates how to end after ex Ferra Toss out of most anything when you don't want to switch sides...

and when you do want to switch sides.

 

[Trauma_and_Pain]

d.2 is now +4 on block. I am absolutely incorporating this nonsense into my oki and neutral game, just for fun. My main idea right now is to use this advantage to pressure, condition them to poke or armor through, and then mix it up with NJP, which punishes all sorts of shit.

Also, the priority on jump in attacks is now lower after startup, which means d.2 is sometimes a more valid anti-air than it used to be.

d.2 As A Midscreen Combo Starter.

I was even more surprised to discover we can link a raw d.2 into b.1 for a full combo. The following madness ensued:

Fucking swag.

I'm not claiming this shit will make you the next EVO champ. The damage is slightly suboptimal and it's 19 Startup, but it IS our most plus-on-block normal, and is stupid amounts of fun.

 

[Steven_a]

Vicious f2 starter 41%

f2, f3, 4xxEX low Ferra, d3, b121xx Ferra toss.

Make sure d3 doesn't hit too late or else the last hit of b121 will whiff.

 

[Kamikaze_Highlander]

well since there's been no lackey love

Meterless

• (jip) 2f4xxbf2, 2f4xxbf2, d1xxdbf1 = 32% (34%)
• (jip) f2, njp, f3, 2f4xxbf2, d1xxdbf1 = 36% (38%)
• (jip) b232+4, d1, f2, 2f4xxbf2, dixxdbf1 = 32%(34%)
• (jip) b232+4, 2f4xxbf2, 2f4xxbd2 = 30% (32%)
• (jip) b232+4, 11(suuuper tight link, needs to hit on the last few active frames, almost impractical), f2, 2f4xxbf2, d1xxdbf1 = 33%(34%)

Metered

• (jip) 2f4xxEXbd2, 2f4xxbf2, d1xxdbf1 = 35%(37%)
• b121xxEXbd2, f3, f2, 2f4xxbf2, d1xx dbf1 = 43% (nothing extra from a jump in)
• b3xxEXdb2, f3, f2, 2f4xxbf2, d1xxdbf1 = 44% ("")
• (jip) f2xxEXdb2, f3, f2, 2f4xxbf2, d1xxdbf1 = 41%(42%)

Torrvex setup
Meterless
(ji2) f2, njp, rc, 4xxbf3 = 27% (29%)
b232+4, f2, 4xxbf3 = 26%

Metered
(jip) b121xxEXdb2, njp, f2, 4xxbf3 = 36% (inconsistent at best, gravity after standing 4 is a bitch)
waaaaaayyy easier Torvex setup
b121xxEXdb2, 4xxbf3 = 30%, less damage but much more consistent and easier to land that the previous combo. Njp after torryuken bumps it to 33

more damage, but only slightly less inconsistent than the first
(ji2)b3xxEXdb2, f3, f2, 4xxbf3 = 38%(39%)

I'm not done testing what I can do, I'll try and update this post as they come to me. @Alien Substance

 

[ChoseDeath]

Vicious f2 starter 41%

f2, f3, 4xxEX low Ferra, d3, b121xx Ferra toss.

Make sure d3 doesn't hit too late or else the last hit of b121 will whiff.

That's beautiful and I love it. Very good! I can't figure out great damage for meter trades with Vicious. Like anything more than 1 bar doesn't seem worth it. But then again, that isn't a bad thing! Leaves plenty of meter for ex Boss Toss, X-ray, and Breaker.

 

[Shade667]

My current meterless and 1 bar bnbs in ruthless.
Meterless - StarterxxPnG RC F2, NJP, f3, 4xxDBF1. Does 39% off b121.
1 bar - StarterxxPNG RC F2, F3, 2f4xxEXBF2, NJP, b121xxDBF1 (Basically the 75% but without PnG stacks, so If youve got PnG stacks youll do 60+. Does about 44% with no PnG going in.

Vicious just replaces dbf1 with boss toss (bf4)
Havnt actually practiced lackey since the patch, so my combos havnt changed. Ill have to figure out what I can do now for optimal damage.

 

[Trauma_and_Pain]

well since there's been no lackey love

Nope. No Lackey love. Not viable anymore. Ferra's boobs got buffed.

 

[ChoseDeath]

Nope. No Lackey love. Not viable anymore. Ferra's boobs got buffed.

You officially win "Best Post Ever!" That is fucking hilarious

 

[Blewdew]

My current meterless and 1 bar bnbs in ruthless.
Meterless - StarterxxPnG RC F2, NJP, f3, 4xxDBF1. Does 39% off b121.
1 bar - StarterxxPNG RC F2, F3, 2f4xxEXBF2, NJP, b121xxDBF1 (Basically the 75% but without PnG stacks, so If youve got PnG stacks youll do 60+. Does about 44% with no PnG going in.

Vicious just replaces dbf1 with boss toss (bf4)
Havnt actually practiced lackey since the patch, so my combos havnt changed. Ill have to figure out what I can do now for optimal damage.

If you do starter~ pngc,f2,njp,f3,4,exbf2,d3,b121,dbf1 you get:

47% of b121
50% of a s4 punish

 

[Kamikaze_Highlander]

Lol, thats amazing. I'm sure you're just kidding, but Lackey's viability went waaayy up imo.

 

[Shade667]

If you do starter~ pngc,f2,njp,f3,4,exbf2,d3,b121,dbf1 you get:

47% of b121
50% of a s4 punish

Didnt realise ex Bowl girl and the njp scaled so much together.

 

[Blewdew]

Lol, thats amazing. I'm sure you're just kidding, but Lackey's viability went waaayy up imo.

Yes meterless 35% from f2 and 41% from toryuken reversal feels so good now. We also got mad style points with Roll combos now they look so nice.

 

[Trauma_and_Pain]

Vicious 1-bar 42% Corner Crossup. D1 after D2 is easier and does 2% less damage.

JI2 ~ F2 ~ D2 ~ 4 xx exBF2 ~ D3 ~ B1,2,1 xx BF4 = 42%

 

[Blewdew]

Vicious 1-bar 42% Corner Crossup. D1 after D2 is easier and does 2% less damage.

JI2 ~ F2 ~ D2 ~ 4 xx exBF2 ~ D3 ~ B1,2,1 xx BF4 = 42%

Ferra/torr using d2 mid combo. My life is now complete.

 

[Trauma_and_Pain]

Ferra/torr using d2 mid combo. My life is now complete.

Yeah dude, there's another good meterless one if you're cornered. Something like NJP ~ F3 ~ F2 ~ D2 ~ 4 xx DBF1 = 35% for Lackey/Ruthless and NJP ~ F3 ~ F2 ~ D2 ~ 4 xx BF4 = 36% for Vicious. You could probably optimize that a tiny bit more if you wanted with some poke juggles.

 

[joeldm]

I think that the easiest combos now. You can exchange 4 by 2F4 to be easier still if you want.
The damage will not change

 

[joeldm]

Meterless Midscreen:
F2~NJP~4xxRoll~2F4xxRoll~D1xxBB|41%
Meterless Corner:
NJP~4xxRoll~F2~4xxRoll~4xxBB|41%
Metered Midscreen:
Ex Torryuken~F3~F2~D2~F3xxBB|41%

@Alien Substance

 

[Kamikaze_Highlander]

So @Doombawkz enlightened me to the fact that boll can combo off ji1. Here's the result, also some corner combos inspired by this trend of d2 in combos.

1) ji1xxroll, d3, f2, 2f4xxroll, d1xxdbf1 = 34%

2) ji1xxroll, d3, f2, njp, f3xxbdf1 = 31%

3) ji1xxroll, d3, f2, ji1xxroll, d3xxdbf1 = 32% (this one's my favourite)

4) ji1xxroll, d3, f2, d2, f3xxdbf1 = 34%

5) njp, 4xxroll, d3, f2, d2, d1xxdbf1 = 38%

6) njp, 4xxroll, d3, f2, d2, d1xxroll = 36%

6) njp, 4xxroll, d3, f2, d2, f3xxdbf1 = 39%

 

[Doombawkz]

Some Lackey love and midscreen overhead conversions since we had like none up until now that did diddly for damage.

 

[Kamikaze_Highlander]

Nice, I was having problems getting big damage with b232+4.

 

[Doombawkz]

Just some corner carry examples. The first one can be done anywhere on the screen off of a successful wake-up EX torryu.

The second one is just exampling how far it carries.