Once Cage gets close, Noob will have to block 15 f+3s before he can escape. Noob's d+3 is solid, but he has no armor. Escaping f+3 spam is difficult without armor. If you block f+3 crouching, Cage could be at 0 or +9. There are no visual cues. If you block f+3 standing, good Cage players will hit-confirm f+3,3 into EX forceball. One wrong guess means that you either get punched in the nuts or Cage is at huge block advantage again.
You might be underrating yours.
...So why stand? I don't understand. F3 isn't going to be visually confirmed, so I'm not really worried about that...a random f3 leads to nothing, and we're just playing the same game again.
I wish I was. Master D. knows Freddy's zoning in and out. We go even when he picks Cage. I think the match up is at best 5:5:4:5 in Freddy's favor. Kenshi is a lot more difficult to approach and has a BS armor move.
True, when I fight my bros cage with noob I have a lot of issues up close because of noob lack of armor. I can still zone him wel and it is tough for him to get in, once cage in then noob in a lot of trouble.
Cage has weaknesses yes, but are very hard to exploit when fighting a high lvl cage like curbo, Maxter, foxy, etc.
noob's d3 is amazing though, xx into up shadow. Use it like Kenshis push when Cage actually closes space.
It's just more of an experience thing, luckily you have the time and a good opponent to grind it out with. You have to spend the time to work dealing with cage into your natural game.
Yeah it is good have a skiled traning partner and it does take time to learn how to deal with cage.
A random f+3 can lead to +9 when you are block crouching. And if you are blocking standing, how do you know whether the Cage player will do f+3 or f+3,3? You cannot react to all of these poke variations. If you try to poke out, you are risking f+3,3 which can be hit-confirmed into the nutpunch. So your little poke does 1% of damage while f+3,3 xx nutpunch leads to 20% of damage and more pressure. How is that not an overwhelming risk/reward ratio in favor of Cage?
ITS NOT RANDOM! It happens when you are crouch blocking and holding up to escape pressure. Just poke to break pressure apart..
If you're standing all day, you're susceptible to additional variations of Cage's Frame Traps (ie: 11, 11f1, ex-forceball); how is that favorable to being able to break up pressure with a 6-frame counter-poke while crouching?
I have, actually. We've had a very good Cage player at home almost since release, and a ton of this stuff that people are complaining about isn't really new. The thread Sao linked you to about JC's pressure game was written months ago, before this whole crisis even started. My intention isn't to come and say how everybody's wrong, but moreso open up avenues to thinking clearly and beyond salt involving losing one set in a tournament/casuals.
What is terrible about it? I would say for the most part a lot of people would agree with it. This is not just some bullshit i made up, it's from going to VSM, talking with the CD bros, personal experience, etc. Not that EVERY character is in the right place but i think it's close.
Not sure if you meant this to be funny, but it is. No it's not a rushdown game, it just rewards rushdown!
CD Jr. thinks Cage is top ten. He told me so at MLG. He also said that you need strong zoning vs Cage or you cannot beat him.
I agree with him.
cyber sub being over scorp and sub is already a joke lol, and kitana definitely not over jax. But this is why some think tier list aren't really needed because they're too opinionated and they change all the time, the player playing the character matters more than a list tbh.
