no offense to anyone who plays cyber sub, but as far as tournaments go in u.s.a and internationally, sub and scorp players have placed better than cyber subs. It's the player that matters, and as far as I know, cyber subs haven't really been doing too much recently. Pig used to play cyber sub in tournaments, but he replaced cyber sub with kenshi. Why? don't know I'd have to ask him but cyber subs main issues are: he moves slow, pokes aren't scary at all, parry can be low poked, and dive kick can be punished unless you do it very low to the ground. His highs are you can't jump at him much unless you use an empty jump, dive kick blows up projectiles, he has a safe 50 50, and he actually has good damage too and solid bomb traps if you get them off. But this is why tier list aren't very good because everyone has a different opinion. I think cyber sub shouldn't be above sub and scorp while others think he should and etc.