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MKK Hanzo's Crazy 2018 UMK3 Matchup Chart

MRIGOTBASS

SKYPE: igotbass
I have never asked you for any personal information before. I do not know who the "you guys who want my facebook" are.

Mr Bass we can post screenshots all day of random conversations, or we can keep the thread on topic.
Your right, we gonna keep it MK related, after im done cakeing off Ill post the video a little later on, You just cant clout chase telling these people on the site ur beating me lol come on. Just gonna post up the set so people can enjoy that Toro. Nobody ever gets to see these sets cause I never post shit, but come on man lol Tier List #1 vs the Toro and losing like that is definetly MK related lol.

BTW Biggs I like you NH, but you got to stop complaining and just play the game, when you refuse you lose. LOL
 

Biggs

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Your right, we gonna keep it MK related, after im done cakeing off Ill post the video a little later on, You just cant clout chase telling these people on the site ur beating me lol come on. Just gonna post up the set so people can enjoy that Toro. Nobody ever gets to see these sets cause I never post shit, but come on man lol Tier List #1 vs the Toro and losing like that is definetly MK related lol.

BTW Biggs I like you NH, but you got to stop complaining and just play the game, when you refuse you lose. LOL
Mr Bass I have no issue with you as well, but I am confused about you saying that I am complaining. I have never complained about UMK3 as a game.

No one spoke of any matches until you brought it up. You are the one instigating and clout chasing.

Me and Haze are still down to 2v2 you and sans and 1v1 you this weekend. We can record those matches if you really care so much
 
Guys let's get back on topic. Side note bass requested his own discord ban so he couldn't return if he wanted .

No more derailing ok?

I don't think Mac is better than kabal either.
 

MRIGOTBASS

SKYPE: igotbass
Mr Bass I have no issue with you as well, but I am confused about you saying that I am complaining. I have never complained about UMK3 as a game.

No one spoke of any matches until you brought it up. You are the one instigating and clout chasing.

Me and Haze are still down to 2v2 you and sans and 1v1 you this weekend. We can record those matches if you really care so much
No thanks but I will be on Xbox this weekend if you want to play. III played u on live you got crushed then moaned about XBL so i played you on mame u also got crushed moaned about lag. Like dude im playing to have fun, if you want to play Im on Xbox I dont support bootleg versions of the game and I dont support moaning.

Also dude Haze said he lets me win, which to me its just beyond bad sportsmanship at least own up to getting destroyed. Im not really trying to play with people who say shit like this.
 

Biggs

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@MKK hanzo I am wondering why you have Lao so low. Do you really believe he loses that many matchups? I think he dropped the most places compared to the last tier list.
 
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Eldriken

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The thread is now unlocked. I think I got everything.

The two who participated in derailing the thread for nearly three pages get to go cool off for a little while.
 

MKK hanzo

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@MKK hanzo I am wondering why you have Lao so low. Do you really believe he loses that many matchups? I think he dropped the most places compared to the last tier list.
Ah! Glado someone asked for him! IMO he has always been VERY overrated, and how the game has evolved, hos old stile is not that good anymore IMO. I have even played him hardcore to see what can I get and what I get are losses.

Vs C Sub 4-6 Sub Wins IMO. GJ OS to punch starter is a goodbye for Lao, while also Subbie has no specials that will endanger him that much (IE a blocked tlpt) and has to play cautious without jumping. I might say that its a 5-5 if played well in both sides.

Vs Cyrax he wins 6-4. Poor robot has no answer to instantd dives safe in front of him nor the teleport.

Vs Ermac 5-5.¡, Interesting match, and I would go on to say that Ermac suffers here. Ermac has no answer to Lao crossup punch. As simple as it says. Even running under is dangerous because of the reach of the punch. Uppercut loses to it too and is a free 40% for Lao. A blocked dive kick nets Ermac with a 80% (depending on positioning) and both have great punch starters, while Lao is difficult to OS block punch starter due to the position of the buttons. Lao SHOULD NOT sweep at all in this match.

7-3 Lao losses vs H Smoke. Same rules from the Ermac MU PLUS Relauncher ultra easy options for H Smoke, OS backward spear threath at ALL TIMES if he teleports and air grab neuters his crossups abilities.

Vs Jade is 5-5 but because Jade has nothing dangerous for Lao on her best moments. The difficult for Lao here is his inability to start anything damaging on female Ninjas via JP starter and on the ground he just use the 3 kick combo wich does mediocre damage. Green kick stops teleport on reaction too.

Vs Jax 5-5. Jax can OS Gotcha Grab or Dash Punch vs Tlport and Air grab stops his crossups, while Jax is also a BIG combo target for Lao. It might end up 6-4 Jax winning due to options or 5.5-4.5 But I did not wanted incomplete numbers.

vs Kabal he losses 7-3. While he MIGHT catch a Dash, and that spells DOOM for Kabal, he has no reason to go for it. Just play safe with Jabs and punch combo starter. One combo is an easy Relauncher for Kabal and also has the Dash to neuter and destroy teleport and crossups on reaction for a damaging 45% .

Kano wins 6-4. Same relaunch stuff damages poor Kung Lao. Both rolls punish tlport on reaction, Air grab to stop his jumps over, and this time, a sweep punisher (knife Upper) so Lao has even less options in this match but damage wise, kano has to work a bit more. Also, a bad Kannonball is goodbye for him.

Vs Kitty is 6-4 Kitana winning. She has more options vs Lao due to IAF and again, the femae bitches hurtboxes are so small to start anything damaging on them.

Vs Liu 6-4 Lao but it is a dumb match, due to the ugly Liu hurtboxes, you have to adjust most combos for him.

Losses vs Mileena 6-4 due to FemNin natural advantage and the fact that Mileena has an OS counter with the roll vs Teleport. IA Sai is somehow bothersome to Lao big, tall sprite too.

Loses vs Wolf 7-3. One of his worst matchups. Shoulder and Axe deters the Tlp on reaction, Shoulder is AA vs front diveckicks and sometimes lao Spin isnt enough to defend against NW nasty JKicks.

This is Part 1. When the thread is unlocked, I will follow with part 2.
 

MKK hanzo

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Ok thread unlocked! Thx @Eldriken !

Part 2:

Vs R Smoke 5-5. An awesome and fun fight that I like to play on any of the 2 ends. Air grab deters Lao but he has no reason to jump crossups. R Smoke mught have a small edge because his spear punihses lao sweeps very easyly and can be OS back to punish Tlprt too. Smoke cant do much while Invisible here due to Lao "scramble/chaotic" mode gameplay so the player might end up not knowing where he/she is on the screen.

Vs Reptile he wins 6-4. Teleport punishes all green ball attempts, and rept Slide dont stops crossups as good as he does vs other characters too. He can use the elbow dash to escape pressure tho. But it is a difficult match for Reptie at the end.

vs Tsung, Lao wins 6-4. Poor Tsung. Thats all.

Vs Scorp 5-5 BUT.... I may give Lao the edge here due to damage output. Scorp can apply everything that H Smoke can less the damaging stuff and relaunchers.


6-4 Lao wins vs Sektor and Sheeva. Sektor applies the same as Cyrax, maybe less. Vs Sheeva is a awesome fight too. Spin infinites are kind of whiffy on Sheeva so the macth is more "honest". Both have awesome uppers to deter jump ins from each another but Sheeva big hurtbox and crouch block glitch gives the edge to Lao IMO

Losses 6-4 vs Sindel. A fight that I HATE to play as Lao, Sindel is very dangerous to him. Just see my struggles here vs Local player CBR tsugaru and the matchup is self explained. Basically DONT jump back o do safeless dives!


Vs Sonya 7-3 He cant do shit here. She is too small. While he can connect his JP starter combo on her, she just have to crouch Lk everything poor Lao does. She can relaunch him easily too. There is almost no chances of Spinning here in all the fight.

He wins 6-4 vs Stryker and U Sub IMO. Firstly due to big hitboxes of both. While Stryker might use back OS baton to punish teleports, there is little else he can do (Riot Gun punishes sweeps if done quick). Vs u Sub is a patience match IMO. But fishing for a AA spin is mostly what Lao can do here. Lex has an awesome match that demonstrates this and how to followup an Ice clone with Tlpt.

 
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Mgo

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Mileena's roll punishes sweeps, LK, and HK for full combo. Its possible to get her sai to hit at the right hieght, but the charge time is the issue. Mileena simply has higher damage output with the same normals. Its just that America does not have any high level Mileenas like we have with Jade and Kitana

that video and the one of marvi vs jugger were posted like 99999 times on this forum :D
 
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Mgo

Noob
Yes, I have watched mafioso and he is really great and nice person.

I have general question tho: for me and the guys i am playing, no matter casuals or competitive, we always use 2on2 with explosive kombat option. i believe this is how the game should be played nowdays.

would you consider that or you want to keep 1on1 standard?
Im surprised how many prefer 1vs1 gameplay. For us is kinda quick and boring, and doesn't prove much so we always stick on 2on2.
 
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RM AtK!

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We have played on MAME multiple times and the most recent time (maybe 3 weeks ago) we stopped early due to the lag. You then attempted to blame the lag on me.

No one dodged you. I was actually one of the few people that would regularly play vs you.

No one complained about a controller ever.

No one complained about glitchjabs ever.

Stop with the lies bro, no one cares about glitch jabs. Every time you claim someone will not play you, it is always the same story. "They complained about my glitch jabs." I have never complained about glitch jabs in my life. You keep using these same pathetic lines to imply that you have made people quit or broke the game of MK due to your ability to glitch jab. You have been spouting this same trash since 2010 and started again after TE came out.

MKAK is indeed garbage and everyone knows this. I play much better on mame. You play better on MKAK (I wonder why?). You speak of bootleg MK but play on MKAK lol

Your Red Trash Can Sektor and Sazon NoCoke Sheeva got downloaded and retired.

On discord Me and Haze asked to 2v2 vs you and Sans. You declined, raged that no one would play you, and quit the discord server.

Bass, you keep going off topic on a thread in a sad attempt to get people to play UMK3 with you. Thats literally where you are right now as a player. You ostracized yourself from the whole community and cannot get anyone except Trikke to play you with a 500 ping robo smoke on MKAK psn. You are lucky that you are still allowed in the community thanks to nice people like Drew.

Keep the thread on topic before you get banned again breh hahahaha
Jesus christ the verbal assassin is on the loose! LOL:coffee::REO
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
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Im surprised how many prefer 1vs1 gameplay. For us is kinda quick and boring, and doesn't prove much so we always stick on 2on2.
I wish UMK3 had a 4 player option tag like MK 9 with 4 players literally, two teams. That would be sweet.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
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You can do that on MAME

@nwo
I mean like MK 9's tag mode, this is possible on MAME?:eek:


I think he means swapping players mid round but I'm not sure ;)
Yes, this is correct ^. Exactly like MK 9's tag mode(though in UMK3's case until the player is defeated like the arcade) but if someone modded it so it worked like MK9's tag out/tag in with 4 different players. That would be amazing. But yes this is what I mean. So you could do say you and nwo vs Jugg and MK hanzo where you each pick one character, and first team to win wins.

This is being implemented on MK2+, it's in testing. So there's a safe bet it'll make its way into UMK3 1.3 (which will eventually be branded as UMK3+ as I joined up with them officially a little while ago) :)
Really? Oh wow that's awesome.
 

Biggs

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I mean like MK 9's tag mode, this is possible on MAME?:eek:




Yes, this is correct ^. Exactly like MK 9's tag mode(though in UMK3's case until the player is defeated like the arcade) but if someone modded it so it worked like MK9's tag out/tag in with 4 different players. That would be amazing. But yes this is what I mean. So you could do say you and nwo vs Jugg and MK hanzo where you each pick one character, and first team to win wins.



Really? Oh wow that's awesome.
NWO's UMK3 Team edition auto switches players for 2v2 multiplayer
 

nwo

Noob
NWO's UMK3 Team edition auto switches players for 2v2 multiplayer
And @KOHR also, who by the way is an amazing rom hacker....he helped me massively.

He recently added borders around h.smoke and noob at the character selection screen, and added the bank background (with an animated portal even, its bad ass).

Yes, this is correct ^. Exactly like MK 9's tag mode(though in UMK3's case until the player is defeated like the arcade) but if someone modded it so it worked like MK9's tag out/tag in with 4 different players. That would be amazing. But yes this is what I mean. So you could do say you and nwo vs Jugg and MK hanzo where you each pick one character, and first team to win wins.
We thought about tag team (at least I did) and there could be some ultra cheap stuff that could happen. Like Sub-Zero freeze's someone then tag's his partner, let's just say Kung Lao, who can walk right up to the frozen opponent and spin them into the air, and into an infinite. I'm sure there's many more ultra cheap scenarios that could happen in tag team.

That being said...

This is being implemented on MK2+, it's in testing. So there's a safe bet it'll make its way into UMK3 1.3 (which will eventually be branded as UMK3+ as I joined up with them officially a little while ago) :)
As long as you don't steal my work, I have no problem with anything you plan on doing. Hell, I might even check it out.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
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You can do that on MAME

@nwo
I mean like MK 9's tag mode, this is possible on MAME?:eek:
And @KOHR also, who by the way is an amazing rom hacker....he helped me massively.

He recently added borders around h.smoke and noob at the character selection screen, and added the bank background (with an animated portal even, its bad ass).



We thought about tag team (at least I did) and there could be some ultra cheap stuff that could happen. Like Sub-Zero freeze's someone then tag's his partner, let's just say Kung Lao, who can walk right up to the frozen opponent and spin them into the air, and into an infinite. I'm sure there's many more ultra cheap scenarios that could happen in tag team.

That being said...


As long as you don't steal my work, I have no problem with anything you plan on doing. Hell, I might even check it out.

I see, I think then if this idea was implemented having it like the way UMK3 endurance plays would be more practical where you can't "tag in and out" but the other player comes out once the first one is defeated. Would probably be less broken that way since your example is a good point.
NWO's UMK3 Team edition auto switches players for 2v2 multiplayer
That's cool.