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MKK Hanzo's Crazy 2018 UMK3 Matchup Chart

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Yes the roll activates damage scaling, but even then her average damage output in a combo will exceed Kitana and Jade.

A blocked teleport vs Mileena results in a 50% damage punish (like Kitana), which Jade struggles to meaningfully punish. Mileena has a pop-up mid hitting knee that will result in around 30%. In comparison, I think the female ninja 4 hit kick combo does 24%. Mileena's 5 hit combo is also a excellent punisher that will result in around 40% (also option selectable with glitchjab). Any respectable roll combo midscreen will do at least 30%. In the corner a good roll combo will hit around 40%.

Mileena is basically Jade with a higher damage output and better punishes. In contrast Jade has a boomerang, which does not really matter, and glow, which is matchup specific. Mileena has roll that is a mid launcher that punishes sweeps, HK, LK and crossover jumpins for more damage than Shadow Kick, Sai (You have to charge it, but its a nice combo ender and is sufficiently plus on block with the instant air version), and Teleport (This move is good vs jumps and allows mileena to switch sides during combos to offer better positioning towards a corner).

Mileena is just a higher exectution character, and very hard to play at a high level
All this advanced knowledge and still cant beat Sektor with Kabal, how is this even possible LOL.
 
Yes the roll activates damage scaling, but even then her average damage output in a combo will exceed Kitana and Jade.

A blocked teleport vs Mileena results in a 50% damage punish (like Kitana), which Jade struggles to meaningfully punish. Mileena has a pop-up mid hitting knee that will result in around 30%. In comparison, I think the female ninja 4 hit kick combo does 24%. Mileena's 5 hit combo is also a excellent punisher that will result in around 40% (also option selectable with glitchjab). Any respectable roll combo midscreen will do at least 30%. In the corner a good roll combo will hit around 40%.

Mileena is basically Jade with a higher damage output and better punishes. In contrast Jade has a boomerang, which does not really matter, and glow, which is matchup specific. Mileena has roll that is a mid launcher that punishes sweeps, HK, LK and crossover jumpins for more damage than Shadow Kick, Sai (You have to charge it, but its a nice combo ender and is sufficiently plus on block with the instant air version), and Teleport (This move is good vs jumps and allows mileena to switch sides during combos to offer better positioning towards a corner).

Mileena is just a higher exectution character, and very hard to play at a high level
Heck, why aren't you coming to OHio man?
 

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yes, but this is on theory. that 50% punisher you are referring to is useful only near the corner, because the timing for it is so risky, that nobody would even dare to try it in a tournament match as this might cost him the round ...if you exclude blocked sweeps, jade can punish everything easier with dash kick. has projectile protection and returning boomerang, combined with jab pressure and the mentioned zonning is all what she basically needs against everyone mid-tier and below.

i don't agree with tons of stuff Hanzo mentioned, as always, but i am ok to everyone has his own opinion as long as the game is 'alive' :)
 
Yes the roll activates damage scaling, but even then her average damage output in a combo will exceed Kitana and Jade.

A blocked teleport vs Mileena results in a 50% damage punish (like Kitana), which Jade struggles to meaningfully punish. Mileena has a pop-up mid hitting knee that will result in around 30%. In comparison, I think the female ninja 4 hit kick combo does 24%. Mileena's 5 hit combo is also a excellent punisher that will result in around 40% (also option selectable with glitchjab). Any respectable roll combo midscreen will do at least 30%. In the corner a good roll combo will hit around 40%.

Mileena is basically Jade with a higher damage output and better punishes. In contrast Jade has a boomerang, which does not really matter, and glow, which is matchup specific. Mileena has roll that is a mid launcher that punishes sweeps, HK, LK and crossover jumpins for more damage than Shadow Kick, Sai (You have to charge it, but its a nice combo ender and is sufficiently plus on block with the instant air version), and Teleport (This move is good vs jumps and allows mileena to switch sides during combos to offer better positioning towards a corner).

Mileena is just a higher exectution character, and very hard to play at a high level
Using that logic Classic sub should be way up there too, considering an anti air HP from him nets nearly 50% damage, well over if in the corner.
 

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Using that logic Classic sub should be way up there too, considering an anti air HP from him nets nearly 50% damage, well over if in the corner.
Not exactly, I draw parallels between Jade and Mileena specifically because they both have the same female ninja jab gameplan. If you were to do the same and compare Classic Sub with the rest of the male ninjas, he wouldn't come off so well.

Its just that Mileena is technically more threatening because she has a higher damage output off of the same mixups. Mileena's roll and Jade's shadow kick serve practically the same purpose in terms of punishing normals and jumps. That is not to say that Jade is a bad character. She is definitely easier to play compared to Mileena, but Mileena is more rewarding upon mastery.

On another note, Jade's glow is probably the most interesting special move in the game. The amount of things she can do in terms of canceling recovery and parrying is crazy.
 
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Not exactly, I draw parallels between Jade and Mileena specifically because they both have the same female ninja jab gameplan. If you were to do the same and compare Classic Sub with the rest of the male ninjas, he wouldn't come off so well.

Its just that Mileena is technically more threatening because she has a higher damage output off of the same mixups. Mileena's roll and Jade's shadow kick serve practically the same purpose in terms of punishing normals and jumps. That is not to say that Jade is a bad character. She is definitely easier to play compared to Mileena, but Mileena is more rewarding upon mastery.

On another note, Jade's glow is probably the most interesting special move in the game. The amount of things she can do in terms of canceling recovery and parrying is crazy.
But it's an inclusive tier list... all characters. Let's also not forget that the male ninjas also have some excellent normal properties. They all have some devastating ones.

That being said, I'd rather just play the game than talk about it LOL. We can discuss tiers and who should go where all day long, but at the end of the game it's more fun to just settle up at the controls.
 

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But it's an inclusive tier list... all characters. Let's also not forget that the male ninjas also have some excellent normal properties. They all have some devastating ones.

That being said, I'd rather just play the game than talk about it LOL. We can discuss tiers and who should go where all day long, but at the end of the game it's more fun to just settle up at the controls.
Sorry for the confusion, I was referring to specifically why I believe Mileena is a better character than Jade, not their overall placement on the tier list. I let @MKK hanzo try to explain that lol
 

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Lol ok thats about as true as hanzo 2 days ago not having a xbox to play umk and then posts 2 new videos of tests he just did on xbox lol. Lets all play mk in txt chats and theory. Lol people fear playing the game true story.
 

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Lol ok thats about as true as hanzo 2 days ago not having a xbox to play umk and then posts 2 new videos of tests he just did on xbox lol. Lets all play mk in txt chats and theory. Lol people fear playing the game true story.
Haha Bass that 360 is not mine, and also is modded, so it cant go online for risk of being banned.

Sorry for the confusion, I was referring to specifically why I believe Mileena is a better character than Jade, not their overall placement on the tier list. I let @MKK hanzo try to explain that lol
You basically summed up pretty well the differences a few posts ago.

Right on. Yeah my biggest issue with Mil being at #8 is Jade being at #18.
She is that low because of having more losing matches than Mileena. Taking the execution barrier aside, Jade options at punishing or forming a "defensive-offense" are mediocre damagewise or position wise. Also her (and Kitana) 4 hit kick combos are punishable on block from the 3rd to 4th hit by Kabal dash, Mileena roll, Kano upwards ball, C Sub slide, while Mileena has 2 launchers, one of them OSelectable.

In short: Jade approach in a fight is stupid. From afar shooting rangs you just crouch unless she goes into offense, and thereher options are limited/umdamaging.

She on defense has nothing to be afraid save a VERY SITUATIONAL corner juggles using Invincibility to cancel jabs. Wich btw Sindel has more chance to land those than Jade, to say something comparable.

On crossups defensively, not only Mil has a more damaging and sure option (both can do an uppercut) but Roll can help you to runaway and reposition yourself.

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Haha Bass that 360 is not mine, and also is modded, so it cant go online for risk of being banned.
Hanzo, your top notch umk3 player, do you ever find down there that people refuse to play you because they cant take getting the shit beat out of them? Like do you have trouble finding people who will play with you ?
 

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Hanzo, your top notch umk3 player, do you ever find down there that people refuse to play you because they cant take getting the shit beat out of them? Like do you have trouble finding people who will play with you ?
All the time. In fact I sometimes think that im hurting the game more than helping it. People quitting the game because they feel they arent leveling up or cant beat me. Stuff like that.

But if I might end alone with no one to play anymore, so be it. Im not going soft/easy on anyone.
 
All the time. In fact I sometimes think that im hurting the game more than helping it. People quitting the game because they feel they arent leveling up or cant beat me. Stuff like that.

But if I might end alone with no one to play anymore, so be it. Im not going soft/easy on anyone.
or maybe the people dont care that much about such an old game anymore ;)
why should someone grind it today?
i mean its nice if some people still play it at highlevel but u cant expect new people to do it.
look at the capcom legacy games like sf2 st, that game has still a lot of strong competition and worldwide tournaments, thats another story, unfortunately thats not the case with our legacy games :/
umk3 was 1995-1997 my maingame, long time ago haha.

edit: oye amigo, en venezuela se juega mk4 an maquinas arcade aun? :)
 

MRIGOTBASS

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All the time. In fact I sometimes think that im hurting the game more than helping it. People quitting the game because they feel they arent leveling up or cant beat me. Stuff like that.

But if I might end alone with no one to play anymore, so be it. Im not going soft/easy on anyone.
Ok, just checking I try to be nice and use like Sektor and Sheeva with people like @Biggs but then he gets beat down and refuses to play me no more, thats why I found it odd he was on here being the umk3 expert but last week was refusing to play me cause my Sektoro and Sheev beats his Kabal for like an hour straight LOL.
 

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Ok, just checking I try to be nice and use like Sektor and Sheeva with people like @Biggs but then he gets beat down and refuses to play me no more, thats why I found it odd he was on here being the umk3 expert but last week was refusing to play me cause my Sektoro and Sheev beats his Kabal for like an hour straight LOL.
Hahahahahahaha no one refused to play you, I was busy setting up for a tournament I was hosting this past weekend. Your Sazon Sheeva and Red Trash Can got retired by Teh Tile. You refuse Me and Haze 2v2 vs You and Sans. You also refuse to play on Mame. You even quit Discord. But Mr Bass pls stay on thread topic
 

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Hahahahahahaha no one refused to play you, I was busy setting up for a tournament I was hosting this past weekend. Your Sazon Sheeva and Red Trash Can got retired by Teh Tile. You refuse Me and Haze 2v2 vs You and Sans. You also refuse to play on Mame. You even quit Discord. But Mr Bass pls stay on thread topic
You lost bad on mkak then u complained it was mkak garbage then complained about glitch jabs then complained about lag then we played on mame u got beat on that and complained about lag and ur controller.

Now its it i wont play u and Dark Haze on 2v2 mame with ur special settings lol give it up man lol Bootleg MK even ded and hanzo agree the shits bootleg.

Biggs ur a decent player just get to upset when you lose man but yea it just was odd to me ur all up in the frame rates and combos but are losing to sektor and sheeva lol.

Biggs this aint philly over here ok we got some real players.

When ur done moaning and dogeing lets play mk lol
 

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You lost bad on mkak then u complained it was mkak garbage then complained about glitch jabs then complained about lag then we played on mame u got beat on that and complained about lag and ur controller.

Now its it i wont play u and Dark Haze on 2v2 mame with ur special settings lol give it up man lol Bootleg MK even ded and hanzo agree the shits bootleg.

Biggs ur a decent player just get to upset when you lose man but yea it just was odd to me ur all up in the frame rates and combos but are losing to sektor and sheeva lol.

Biggs this aint philly over here ok we got some real players.

When ur done moaning and dogeing lets play mk lol
We have played on MAME multiple times and the most recent time (maybe 3 weeks ago) we stopped early due to the lag. You then attempted to blame the lag on me.

No one dodged you. I was actually one of the few people that would regularly play vs you.

No one complained about a controller ever.

No one complained about glitchjabs ever.

Stop with the lies bro, no one cares about glitch jabs. Every time you claim someone will not play you, it is always the same story. "They complained about my glitch jabs." I have never complained about glitch jabs in my life. You keep using these same pathetic lines to imply that you have made people quit or broke the game of MK due to your ability to glitch jab. You have been spouting this same trash since 2010 and started again after TE came out.

MKAK is indeed garbage and everyone knows this. I play much better on mame. You play better on MKAK (I wonder why?). You speak of bootleg MK but play on MKAK lol

Your Red Trash Can Sektor and Sazon NoCoke Sheeva got downloaded and retired.

On discord Me and Haze asked to 2v2 vs you and Sans. You declined, raged that no one would play you, and quit the discord server.

Bass, you keep going off topic on a thread in a sad attempt to get people to play UMK3 with you. Thats literally where you are right now as a player. You ostracized yourself from the whole community and cannot get anyone except Trikke to play you with a 500 ping robo smoke on MKAK psn. You are lucky that you are still allowed in the community thanks to nice people like Drew.

Keep the thread on topic before you get banned again breh hahahaha
 
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or maybe the people dont care that much about such an old game anymore ;)
why should someone grind it today?
i mean its nice if some people still play it at highlevel but u cant expect new people to do it.
look at the capcom legacy games like sf2 st, that game has still a lot of strong competition and worldwide tournaments, thats another story, unfortunately thats not the case with our legacy games :/
umk3 was 1995-1997 my maingame, long time ago haha.

edit: oye amigo, en venezuela se juega mk4 an maquinas arcade aun? :)
Takuma I left Venezuela a year ago, Im in Colombia right now. MK4 was always played in VZLA a lot! IDK if there still a scene for it, due on how things are and everybody leaving.

But yes, its even a miracle to have an offline scene for a game so old.

Well, if there is at least one player for me to play against, no matter his/her skill level, I will play!
 
Takuma I left Venezuela a year ago, Im in Colombia right now. MK4 was always played in VZLA a lot! IDK if there still a scene for it, due on how things are and everybody leaving.

But yes, its even a miracle to have an offline scene for a game so old.

Well, if there is at least one player for me to play against, no matter his/her skill level, I will play!
i see bro.
yes, its nice that people play such old games today. i mean we could get some love from nrs, like a ps4 classic mk collection :). but even the ps4 is a trash console for fighting games, lot of input lag.

cool man, stay playing your favorite game!
i gave up trying to build a classic mk szene here in germany/europe. no one really gives a fuck. the last strong player i played in umk3 was a guy called KillerMillerEX, that was like 15 years ago haha.
saludos amigo y un abrazo!
 
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MRIGOTBASS

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We have played on MAME multiple times and the most recent time (maybe 3 weeks ago) we stopped early due to the lag. You then attempted to blame the lag on me.

No one dodged you. I was actually one of the few people that would regularly play vs you.

No one complained about a controller ever.

No one complained about glitchjabs ever.

Stop with the lies bro, no one cares about glitch jabs. Every time you claim someone will not play you, it is always the same story. "They complained about my glitch jabs." I have never complained about glitch jabs in my life. You keep using these same pathetic lines to imply that you have made people quit or broke the game of MK due to your ability to glitch jab. You have been spouting this same trash since 2010 and started again after TE came out.

MKAK is indeed garbage and everyone knows this. I play much better on mame. You play better on MKAK (I wonder why?). You speak of bootleg MK but play on MKAK lol

Your Red Trash Can Sektor and Sazon NoCoke Sheeva got downloaded and retired.

On discord Me and Haze asked to 2v2 vs you and Sans. You declined, raged that no one would play you, and quit the discord server.

Bass, you keep going off topic on a thread in a sad attempt to get people to play UMK3 with you. Thats literally where you are right now as a player. You ostracized yourself from the whole community and cannot get anyone except Trikke to play you with a 500 ping robo smoke on MKAK psn. You are lucky that you are still allowed in the community thanks to nice people like Drew.

Keep the thread on topic before you get banned again breh hahahaha
@Biggs

Im not a tryhard and Im not all about posting videos and shit man but,

"A life left unchallenged becomes the truth."

Give you a shot to maybe think about your story again, maybe you was thinking about playing someone else.

Anyhow, I have the Mame set ready to roll and post, let me know if you want to change that story, for the good of the game Ill post the entire set tonight. Its funny to see you lose like 8-9 games in a row to sektor and win 1 and txt about TRASH. LOL Then you start moaning about Lag, right in the game chat. Then for the fuck of it for about 20-30 minutes straight I beat u with 1 button only, just HP, maybe its coming back to you now.

"A life left unchallenged becomes the truth."

Haze, like Dark Haze as in UnKnown Ledgend ? I just want to make sure we are talking about the same Haze



Oh you mean that haze that when he gets beat he claims he lets me win, and when I ask him to play me he also refuses and says he quit MK. Oh ok just making sure we talking about the same Haze LOL.

And your right just like I said people refuse to play me, its a sad attempt to try to get people to play UMK3 on a UMK3 forum or Discord? No whats sad is that when you guys want my facebook, or know if I am married or ask me all kinds of personal shit and cause I wont be ur bud IRL and want to keep it MK you refuse to play with me. This is why I was asking Hanzo if people also refuse to play him and apparently its a common theme.

Think about your story Biggs, A life left unchallenged becomes the truth.
 

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@Biggs
And your right just like I said people refuse to play me, its a sad attempt to try to get people to play UMK3 on a UMK3 forum or Discord? No whats sad is that when you guys want my facebook, or know if I am married or ask me all kinds of personal shit and cause I wont be ur bud IRL and want to keep it MK you refuse to play with me. This is why I was asking Hanzo if people also refuse to play him and apparently its a common theme.
I have never asked you for any personal information before. I do not know who the "you guys who want my facebook" are.

Mr Bass we can post screenshots all day of random conversations, or we can keep the thread on topic.