MKK Hanzo's Crazy 2018 UMK3 Matchup Chart

[MKK hanzo]

I can see @MKK hanzo points and they are valid, everything he is saying is true. Ur getting 50% off a blocked sweep, ur getting Ermac Lifts off a blocked sweep, these are blocked normals. Kabal cannot get gaurenteed damage off a blocked normal, I don't think, could be wrong but dont think so.

Also @MKK hanzo play offline events more than probably anyone else, so you have to give weight to what he is saying. Not attacking people but players like @ded and them I don't think they actually play vs Skilled players offline ever, correct me if I am wrong, but I never seent a DedK Tournament video I dont think ever. Hanzo has the Resume to back up his claims, have to respect what he says.

BASS! Sup? Hey I just said that shit up there fro trolling you. I love ya bro (no homo)

Back to the Kabal stuff, at most he can get an Lk off a blocked CLOSE sweep, but thats it.

 

[MRIGOTBASS]

BASS! Sup? Hey I just said that shit up there fro trolling you. I love ya bro (no homo)

Back to the Kabal stuff, at most he can get an Lk off a blocked CLOSE sweep, but thats it.

Its all good dude, I trust what your saying, you play offline with more skilled players than anyone else. You have more experience than probably any other player there is, I have to listen to what your saying because I would be a Moron if I didnt. What your saying makes sense completely.

 

[MRIGOTBASS]

if I see a tournament where a player like BASS dominates mashing one button, then the players arent not only not good enough, but not worthy of having attention.

Fools did get the Dog shit beat out of them with 1 button huh ? LOL

Edit: Plus i was high on drugs at that event, too which is a little known fact.

If u lose to one button your no longer allowed to make Tier Lists.

EDIT: that was 10 years ago, I have started using like 2 buttons now. Im 2x as g

 

[MKK hanzo]

Fools did get the Dog shit beat out of them with 1 button huh ? LOL

Edit: Plus i was high on drugs at that event, too which is a little known fact.

If u lose to one button your no longer allowed to make Tier Lists.

EDIT: that was 10 years ago, I have started using like 2 buttons now. Im 2x as g

4 buttons.

Blk, Hp, Lp and Lk for TEH DASH

 

[MKF30]

Nice breakdown dude, long time hope all is well. I'd like to think the cyborgs are higher, namely Sektor and Cyrax by a tad but I can understand why they're lower. They're still fun to use, always a blast using the underdogs.

 

[ded]

it's great to have threads like this, as long as the game (original one) is keeping alive. personally, i don't agree with a lot of stuff, but i don't think an online discussion will bring anything different.

@MRIGOTBASS i see what you mean and i actually somehow agree with you. the truth is, that i despise UMK3 online (and i play with with 0/1ms) and i play offline with as much people as i can. i just don't post videos of matches anymore.

however, i played @AC1984 offline for example, and he was TOP3 player on every tournament he participated in USA. should that count?

 

[MKK hanzo]

it's great to have threads like this, as long as the game (original one) is keeping alive. personally, i don't agree with a lot of stuff, but i don't think an online discussion will bring anything different.

@MRIGOTBASS i see what you mean and i actually somehow agree with you. the truth is, that i despise UMK3 online (i play with with 0/1ms) and i play offline with as much people as i can. i just don't post videos of matches anymore.

however, i played @AC1984 offline for example, and he was TOP3 player on every tournament he participated in USA. should that count?

Im amazed at the Russian players level, like Natcu and Mafioso. Really they are playing really well.

Your input is appreciated on my reasoning for the tier placement, Ded. Nowhere i have said "THS IS GOING TO BE NOW ON, THE DEFINITIVE TIER" or anything like that. Its just my opinion.

WOW! @MKF30 whats up my friend??

 

[Juggs]

If a good player is NOT "deserving" of making a tier list or this: "You could never lose a round and that still wouldn’t mean everything that comes out of your mouth is law" then we are having here the MILENIAL ATTITUDE, where mens are woman, an apricot is a truck, UMK3 is Tekken and the Earth is flat or triangular because they say it, to say something. Something that dont know enough or at all about something can voice his opinion sure, but that doesnt mean he/she/it is right.

No idea what you’re talking about here.

Anyway, It doesn’t matter how good you are, being even the best player doesn’t mean every opinion you have about MU’s or tier lists are “correct”. That’s why they’re opinions and not facts.

to each his own if they want to make fools of themselves.

Also Im not downplaying MY character, I dont have a character, and if I had it, it is NIGHTWOLF.

Regardless, you’re still downplaying Kabal.

I fail to see the logic of this. He loses, but at the same time don`t?

I didn’t say that. Kabal dominates the entire cast, except for a few characters. Just because he doesn’t DOMINATE Human Smoke or Ermac, that does NOT mean he loses that matchup. It’s an even matchup at worst for Kabal.

Saying "some work" is what I refer when I asked how GOOD players have you guys fought. if I see a tournament where a player like BASS dominates mashing one button, then the players arent not only not good enough, but not worthy of having attention.

Yeah, Kabal can’t necessarily just auto pilot against Human Smoke or Ermac. He actually has to play the game for once.

Kabal dominates 95% of the cast and the two characters he doesn’t dominate are automatically bad matchups for him? I will say it again, a character not being able to “DOMINATE” another character doesn’t mean they lose that matchup. As I said, it’s an even 5-5 at worst for Kabal, Kabal doesn’t have any losing matchups.

 

[Juggs]

I can see @MKK hanzo points and they are valid, everything he is saying is true. Ur getting 50% off a blocked sweep, ur getting Ermac Lifts off a blocked sweep, these are blocked normals. Kabal cannot get gaurenteed damage off a blocked normal, I don't think, could be wrong but dont think so.

Also @MKK hanzo play offline events more than probably anyone else, so you have to give weight to what he is saying. Not attacking people but players like @ded and them I don't think they actually play vs Skilled players offline ever, correct me if I am wrong, but I never seent a DedK Tournament video I dont think ever. Hanzo has the Resume to back up his claims, have to respect what he says.

Cool, as a Kabal player you agree with his opinions. I’m super shocked.

 

[MRIGOTBASS]

Cool, as a Kabal player you agree with his opinions. I’m super shocked.

 

[MKK hanzo]

No idea what you’re talking about here.

Anyway, It doesn’t matter how good you are, being even the best player doesn’t mean every opinion you have about MU’s or tier lists are “correct”. That’s why they’re opinions and not facts.



Regardless, you’re still downplaying Kabal.





I didn’t say that. Kabal dominates the entire cast, except for a few characters. Just because he doesn’t DOMINATE Human Smoke or Ermac, that does NOT mean he loses that matchup. It’s an even matchup at worst for Kabal.



Yeah, Kabal can’t necessarily just auto pilot against Human Smoke or Ermac. He actually has to play the game for once.

Kabal dominates 95% of the cast and the two characters he doesn’t dominate are automatically bad matchups for him? I will say it again, a character not being able to “DOMINATE” another character doesn’t mean they lose that matchup. As I said, it’s an even 5-5 at worst for Kabal, Kabal doesn’t have any losing matchups.

Kind of taboo then that some players have not only figured out Kabal and others dont? Sadly you havent played the right players to prove you not only that Kabal is NOT #1, but that he loses badly those matches.

Someday you guys will learn or have the pleasure to play someone that will teach you "how it is done".

 

[MRIGOTBASS]

Kind of taboo then that some players have not only figured out Kabal and others dont? Sadly you havent played the right players to prove you not only that Kabal is NOT #1, but that he loses badly those matches.

Someday you guys will learn or have the pleasure to play someone that will teach you "how it is done".

Miss Spin beat the brakes off you as well as Arion and I also babied u more times than I can remember. I agree with the matchup but dont act like your gonna walk on people we also know how to play mk lol. Mind games ans stratedgy play a part in this.

I respect the game man but you are very beatable HanzJesta. The tier list i respect the experience but your not showing anyone how to put the W up man we aint NinjaGrider lol.

 

[MKK hanzo]

Miss Spin beat the brakes off you as well as Arion and I also babied u more times than I can remember. I agree with the matchup but dont act like your gonna walk on people we also know how to play mk lol. Mind games ans stratedgy play a part in this.

Online? Seriously?

(Oh, and Miss Spin the only time we played is an online lobby with Timmy Price and the outcome is on YT, Protip: I did not ended losing, I also won against you, by more than 10 matches, and please, remember this, always:

I DONT KNOW HOW TO PLAY ONLINE)

I respect the game man but you are very beatable HanzJesta. The tier list i respect the experience but your not showing anyone how to put the W up man we aint NinjaGrider lol.

Well, it is now a matter of an endless loop then. You say you win, I say I win, but the thing is that I back up what I say, with results. Read below:

Even if I went there or you here, and we played, and me beating you 10, 20, 30 to 0 (wich is the outcome I predict) then it would mean nothing to you, of course.

Again, Im not trying to convince anyone with this tier list. The only thing that you and all need to have in account is: Im playing the game how it should be played. Arcade. Vanilla. Joysticks. Offline. Side to Side.

And with that out, then take in account that I am beating as of now TWO entire countries playerbases. Not by a few wins. And please, dont call them bad players or anything, because the same can be said "over there".

This adds to the credibility of someone and to make a fool of himself of other. Protip 2: Im not the latter

 

[MRIGOTBASS]

Online? Seriously?

(Oh, and Miss Spin the only time we played is an online lobby with Timmy Price and the outcome is on YT, Protip: I did not ended losing, I also won against you, by more than 10 matches, and please, remember this, always:

I DONT KNOW HOW TO PLAY ONLINE)



Well, it is now a matter of an endless loop then. You say you win, I say I win, but the thing is that I back up what I say, with results. Read below:

Even if I went there or you here, and we played, and me beating you 10, 20, 30 to 0 (wich is the outcome I predict) then it would mean nothing to you, of course.

Again, Im not trying to convince anyone with this tier list. The only thing that you and all need to have in account is: Im playing the game how it should be played. Arcade. Vanilla. Joysticks. Offline. Side to Side.

And with that out, then take in account that I am beating as of now TWO entire countries playerbases. Not by a few wins. And please, dont call them bad players or anything, because the same can be said "over there".

This adds to the credibility of someone and to make a fool of himself of other. Protip 2: Im not the latter

It was good games but Spins nitewolf had u shook man. But i agree about the tier list but when someone is that much better like John or Arion or Speed or Marv the handicap is erased instantly.

 

[MKK hanzo]

It was good games but Spins nitewolf had u shook man. But i agree about the tier list

I cant do much vs 1 second or more of delay and also pad+analog shadow shoulder spamming is hard to deal online. Again, that is NOT how I play. There is a reason why you will NEVER see my Kano, Mileena, Ermac, Jax, Sonya etc etc online. How Im supossed to react to a 0.4 sec move on block while the delay is 1 or 2 secs? I depend on reaction punishes. Even the differences on MKAK offline on CRT vs Arcade make me play different.

but when someone is that much better like John or Arion or Speed or Marv the handicap is erased instantly.

Yes and no. Top players will use every tool at their disposal and since every character is different, then there are strenghts and weakness. Hell you know that. That is when the minimal stuff get even noticed on those matches, and that is my reasoning and experience on WHY Male Ninjas >> Kabal. Damn, even on normals alone they beat him. Standing Lk is enough to make Kabal go into deffensive mode, and from there, he has no escape like a shadow tackle or roll. His dash is really hardly a surprise.

 

[MRIGOTBASS]

I cant do much vs 1 second or more of delay and also pad+analog shadow shoulder spamming is hard to deal online. Again, that is NOT how I play. There is a reason why you will NEVER see my Kano, Mileena, Ermac, Jax, Sonya etc etc online. How Im supossed to react to a 0.4 sec move on block while the delay is 1 or 2 secs? I depend on reaction punishes. Even the differences on MKAK offline on CRT vs Arcade make me play different.



Yes and no. Top players will use every tool at their disposal and since every character is different, then there are strenghts and weakness. Hell you know that. That is when the minimal stuff get even noticed on those matches, and that is my reasoning and experience on WHY Male Ninjas >> Kabal. Damn, even on normals alone they beat him. Standing Lk is enough to make Kabal go into deffensive mode, and from there, he has no escape like a shadow tackle or roll. His dash is really hardly a surprise.

Hanzo dude 100ms doesnt equal a 1 second delay man come on. I trust the tier list but to say ur gonna show us how to win thats crazy, its like either you have to come here and prove that we cant just accept that because based on the online matches it just doesnt support that outcome.

 

[MKK hanzo]

Hanzo dude 100ms doesnt equal a 1 second delay man come on. I trust the tier list but to say ur gonna show us how to win thats crazy, its like either you have to come here and prove that we cant just accept that because based on the online matches it just doesnt support that outcome.

Don`t judge me for laggy online matches please. Just compare my online vs offline footage. And its not "teaching you how to win". You guys have a concept of the game that clearly hasnt evolved from the "ohlookgjabzimmacrynowpatchorhack" thing.

What would I give for a travel visa and attend a tournament there... Wow would be a dream come true.

 

[MRIGOTBASS]

Don`t judge me for laggy online matches please. Just compare my online vs offline footage. And its not "teaching you how to win". You guys have a concept of the game that clearly hasnt evolved from the "ohlookgjabzimmacrynowpatchorhack" thing.

What would I give for a travel visa and attend a tournament there... Wow would be a dream come true.

If it really means that much man get a visa and come next year. It would be amazing, try to work on it. In the meantime Im cool with online matches just to have fun speaking of which did u get xbl gold so we can bust a few sets out?

 

[MKK hanzo]

If it really means that much man get a visa and come next year. It would be amazing, try to work on it. In the meantime Im cool with online matches just to have fun speaking of which did u get xbl gold so we can bust a few sets out?

Haha I dont even have a console anymore, sadly. Lets see what I can do.

 

[MRIGOTBASS]

Haha I dont even have a console anymore, sadly. Lets see what I can do.

Ok we need to play cause i feel there is some Bass neglect going on here Im over 40 now and im not sure how much longer i can physically play. We need to play asap before i croak.

 

[Juggs]

Kind of taboo then that some players have not only figured out Kabal and others dont? Sadly you havent played the right players to prove you not only that Kabal is NOT #1, but that he loses badly those matches.

Someday you guys will learn or have the pleasure to play someone that will teach you "how it is done".

Oooooorrr you’re just downplaying Kabal. I’m gonna go with that one. It’s okay man, everyone has been guilty of downplaying at some point, no need to be defensive about it. Just own it. Saying Kabal isn’t #1 in UMK3 has to be some weird thought out April fools joke. If so, well done.

 

[ForeverKing]

I wanna see Reo vs Hanzo in UMK3

 

[ded]

Im amazed at the Russian players level, like Natcu and Mafioso. Really they are playing really well.

Your input is appreciated on my reasoning for the tier placement, Ded. Nowhere i have said "THS IS GOING TO BE NOW ON, THE DEFINITIVE TIER" or anything like that. Its just my opinion.

WOW! @MKF30 whats up my friend??

Yes, I have watched mafioso and he is really great and nice person.

I have general question tho: for me and the guys i am playing, no matter casuals or competitive, we always use 2on2 with explosive kombat option. i believe this is how the game should be played nowdays.

would you consider that or you want to keep 1on1 standard?

 

[Biggs]

Yes, I have watched mafioso and he is really great and nice person.

I have general question tho: for me and the guys i am playing, no matter casuals or competitive, we always use 2on2 with explosive kombat option. i believe this is how the game should be played nowdays.

would you consider that or you want to keep 1on1 standard?

What does the explosive combat option do? Does it eliminate the unblockables on incoming characters in 2v2?

 

[MKF30]

Im amazed at the Russian players level, like Natcu and Mafioso. Really they are playing really well.

Your input is appreciated on my reasoning for the tier placement, Ded. Nowhere i have said "THS IS GOING TO BE NOW ON, THE DEFINITIVE TIER" or anything like that. Its just my opinion.

WOW! @MKF30 whats up my friend??

Nothing much dude, work, life and following MK news you know? lol. Have a Happy Easter!