Ideas for changes to Supergirl

[Basic Stupidity]

Play her and tell me she needs nerfs if her problems are about to get fixed...

Srsly, not a single decent player I played, who knows the MU, gets hits by that Oh. Its a free freaking punish lol. Not to mention you dont even need to react to it visually. Her teleport sound effects gives it away before the animation of tp even starts...

Lol this makes no sense, if the teleport is just gimmicks and never hits, why would you prefer to have the overhead teleport over the buffs??? Why does it even matter if it's an overhead or not? all the overhead is doing is allowing shitty players pick her up with their wifi internet 200 ping, go into ranked, and pretend like her trait and the tele is a legitimate mixup. There is no reason it should be there. Just change the regular tele to a mid and make the ex a mid that launches.

 

[B. Shazzy]

It randomly whiffs against males too.

No one said she needed it or anything...

Little big planet players, I swear

i literally just did it like 10 times in a row against atrocitus and black adam its fine youre dissmissed

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

i literally just did it like 10 times in a row against atrocitus and black adam its fine youre dissmissed

I can do it 90 times in a row and then have it miss at a far range, it's really weird but it's not like I play her everyday while you're playing your low tier characters lul

 

[Generalbit]

Disclaimer: Sorry if any of this was already said, stopped reading past p3

All the super girl players saying "But aqua man gets this... or Black Adam has this... or Superman etc."
This logic is inherently flawed for at least 2 reasons

1) If every character had the same or similar toolset the game would suck.
2) Those characters have that dumb shit and that's why they are top, as long as they have these tools they will most likely always be top. If ur jealous, just pick them up instead of wanting ur character to have the same stuff. Be more creative

Trust me I know the feel. I played kotal and I would have given my left nut for him to have a low profiling advancing special like mileena, or a teleport like shinnok (CUZ HE HAS IT IN THE STORY AND INTRO)- but rant aside: Life is unfair. Pick a reasonable buff that would make your character slightly better. Instead of wanting her to be busted like the top boys. Seriously

 

[God Confirm]

yeah literally listing the top 5 characters in the game in one post and asking why they get that but your main doesnt is bad logic

I could use that to justify giving pretty much anything to anyone.

And anyway, the idea is to get those guys fixed.

 

[KHTC Takgillo]

Disclaimer: Sorry if any of this was already said, stopped reading past p3

All the super girl players saying "But aqua man gets this... or Black Adam has this... or Superman etc."
This logic is inherently flawed for at least 2 reasons

1) If every character had the same or similar toolset the game would suck.
2) Those characters have that dumb shit and that's why they are top, as long as they have these tools they will most likely always be top. If ur jealous, just pick them up instead of wanting ur character to have the same stuff. Be more creative

Trust me I know the feel. I played kotal and I would have given my left nut for him to have a low profiling advancing special like mileena, or a teleport like shinnok (CUZ HE HAS IT IN THE STORY AND INTRO)- but rant aside: Life is unfair. Pick a reasonable buff that would make your character slightly better. Instead of wanting her to be busted like the top boys. Seriously

Is it ever right for a character to be High Risk/Low reward?

 

[Drag_Luke]

Lol this makes no sense, if the teleport is just gimmicks and never hits, why would you prefer to have the overhead teleport over the buffs???

Cause no one made that offer? Supergirl mains would instantly accept LOL

Anyway teleport is a wannabe read like puddle or ftd so it wouldn't change anything. Check a good Supergirl gameplay like this https://www.twitch.tv/videos/152960426 (30 minutes of sg mirror, interesting how many times they need to connect to deplete a single life bar) and tell me how much the overhead is mattering... zero... it's used as a countermove/read so being mid would have not changed anything... but

Why does it even matter if it's an overhead or not?

that's the way it's designed. Or we can say the same thing for any overhead in game.

all the overhead is doing is allowing shitty players pick her up with their wifi internet 200 ping,

not sure if nrs takes seriously complaints about 50/50s (not even an actual 50/50 cause you just need to hold back) on 200+ ping but wathever, not to mention that even on 200+ping you still have 1/3 of a second (300+ms) to react to at least either sound or animation.
I mean... having to press a single key (back) in a window between 300ms to 500ms is pretty easy, they won't make it braindead by holding down so complaining on this is a waste of time. But even the change would literally not impact sg in any sense except in 200+ ping games between clueless people.

Just change the regular tele to a mid and make the ex a mid that launches.

Normal teleport is designed to hit stuff in the air. If you keep that and make it mid it's a pointless buff, cause if she is without bars you know it's gonna be high and can lead to a full punish with no chip damage. Also it will miss if you're trying a poke or some advancing strings. Losing those little advantages over sg in the moment that normal teleport becomes mid, again, doesn't seems a reasonable idea worth of a patch.


God knows how people that complains about Supergirl deal with Darkseid's teleport (actually strong but still not broken by any means, at the current state of things).

Anyway i'm not being useful to the main subject of the topic so i would say that in the next patch, given that the top10 will get slighty nerfed (except black adam dmg that will be destroyed due to him being used as counterpick to everything), i would just remove the gaps in supergirl and see how the new meta will react to it. Could think about reducing damage scaling, but depends on how much the other guys damage will be nerfed.

 

[Methysan]

These changes are about what I was thinking. Honestly if the gap after B12 xx anything was removed, she'd have the option of canceling into DB4 or MB breath to stay safe. A small damage increase might be needed as well. Somewhere between 5-10% on her BnBs?

 

[ShArp]

Lol this makes no sense,

Hey look, someone trying to play smart.
As if your post makes any more sense?

"Why not make it mid?" Because there's no reason to make it even more useless than it already is. @Juggs and @Drag_Luke explained it before aswell.

You seriuosly must suck bad at this game if by this point of game's life you are getting hit by teleport while not pressing buttons.

Gotta love these pointless "lets remove her overhead tp for the sake of removing it" arguments. Not.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Lololol let's make all the F3s mid cuz 30 frames is reactable what's the difference lololol

 

[South]

Character doesn't need buffs tf is wrong with the supergirl community.

Only buff she MIGHT need is
-b1 be -5 on block

 

[God Confirm]

Lololol let's make all the F3s mid cuz 30 frames is reactable what's the difference lololol

so you're saying there IS a difference with Supergirls TP?

 

[Juggs]

It's always amusing to me when players who don't even use the character claim that character is perfectly fine. It also usually comes from a player who uses a top tier character.

lul

 

[myri]

@WB-chan

Okay so I thought I could post a thread about discussing a character and get some actual good discussion for once and most of you have been pretty good about that and I appreciate that but now that shit has been started that I thought ended I'm just going to tell it like it is because I don't feel like I've got a choice here.

I really don't want to write this because like I said, this is meant to be a discussion about SG and I didn't want to get dragged into this high school drama shit you've started and continued but whatever, your call.

For starters I liked Redk9's post because he asked you a question and was in no way rude to you and you came back at him very rudely and when he said there was no need for name calling I agreed, that was totally uncalled for, so I liked it, but I guess in your mind I did it out of spite? Not true in the slightest, don't really care if you believe me.

Second of all I didn't even get to read most of these posts yet because I went to bed and got up and then only just got back from work now so I haven't read most of the posts. Besides that fact I haven't openly called people out that I disagree with in this thread, I welcome the other POV's even if I don't agree, that's the whole point of a discussion. Nowhere in this thread have I being aggressively calling people out or anything have I? I responded as such in my post to you because you literally just posted some childish gloating without any provocation in this thread and because I thought we'd ended this drama last night.

Thirdly you keep saying "these are huge buffs". Like okay, that's your opinion, not a fact at all. It's funny how when someone disagrees with you they are "butthurt when I shutdown your buttfuck tier logic" but when I haven't said anything to people who said things opposing what I put in my original post I'm a "salty seadog" for just no reason...? Okay then.

"gotta love wordplay in threads like this" What are you even on about? Like I've said to you in Discord I haven't even once denied these are buffs. Everyone can clearly understand that from my original post, but you're acting like I've sneakily written this post so people somehow don't notice these are buffs?? Let's revisit this conversation in Discord where I said this issues were minor issues (which is my opinion) and you said that they weren't minor issues so "call it a buff thread". Anyone can tell these are buffs, I'm not hiding the fact that these are buffs by saying I think her issues are minor, like I genuinely don't understand your logic.

I asked you why you thought this was somehow deceptive when everyone can clearly see that I suggested buffs and then you said I was making a big deal out of it. I told you I was still confused and then you started acting even more immature. Now after this, while I was still trying to work out how you even reached this point you said that we should just let it go and I was fine with that. I thought it ended there and we could just focus on the topic at hand without this drama. So I wake up this morning and find out you're posting the exact same shit in this thread saying that I've used wordplay to deceive people when that is clearly not the case. So yeah I did call you out on your bullshit in Discord. You said we were letting it go. You didn't, so I called you out on it and now you're acting like I have a personal vendetta against you.

"It's not a serious discussion if people aren't allowed to disagree with you." Where did I say people couldn't disagree? Where have I attacked people? Seriously where are you pulling all of this shit out of right now? All I've done is make a post to talk about how SG can be improved and for some reason it made you implode. I just wanted to have a discussion about a character, that's literally it. My mistake for posting a thread about character balance, these things always go to shit.

 

[ShArp]

Character doesn't need buffs tf is wrong with the supergirl community.

Only buff she MIGHT need is
-b1 be -5 on block

lul

 

[B. Shazzy]

lul

 

[Juggs]

There's a reason actual Supergirl players are saying she needs slight buffs. And what we are asking for is to just make something safe with no gaps, or a give and take (no gaps OR safe). Honestly if B123 was made to be -5 and that's the only buff, I'd be fine with it.

The reason we want slight frame data buffs is because out of all her weaknesses, that's by far the easiest to "fix". She has major problems building meter and she does horrible damage. Which still doesn't make any sense considering her only true mixup aside from F3 knockdown stuff is B2/D1 stagger which no one is ever going to block high on a regular basis if they know the MU (Block high in the B2/D1 mixup, to clarify).And no one is even asking to buff that part of her game. We know we need to be reasonable because Supergirl isn't a bottom 5 character. All she needs is slight adjustments to her frame data. She would still have pretty much the same MU's and the same weaknesses, but she would at least be able to pressure without wasting a bar of meter just to be safe, a bar she very rarely has (which isn't even truly safe because of the gaps). And like I said, B123 being safe at -5 would be fine, as you can't get anything off of it and with practice you can hit confirm the B12/B123.

If the frame data changes are off the table, move on to the gaps.

If the gaps are off the table, move on to her meter building or damage.

No one is asking for the moon, here. And it's not like we will see any changes anytime soon. So I'm not sure I understand the backlash.

 

[Basic Stupidity]

Hey look, someone trying to play smart.
As if your post makes any more sense?

"Why not make it mid?" Because there's no reason to make it even more useless than it already is. @Juggs and @Drag_Luke explained it before aswell.

You seriuosly must suck bad at this game if by this point of game's life you are getting hit by teleport while not pressing buttons.

Gotta love these pointless "lets remove her overhead tp for the sake of removing it" arguments. Not.

did you not even read my post? I gave a perfectly reasonable reason as to why you would remove it however you have only given reasons why its not needed. If somethings useless, how does it become more useless? Do you realize how irrational you sound?

 

[Basic Stupidity]

Cause no one made that offer? Supergirl mains would instantly accept LOL

Anyway teleport is a wannabe read like puddle or ftd so it wouldn't change anything. Check a good Supergirl gameplay like this https://www.twitch.tv/videos/152960426 (30 minutes of sg mirror, interesting how many times they need to connect to deplete a single life bar) and tell me how much the overhead is mattering... zero... it's used as a countermove/read so being mid would have not changed anything... but

that's the way it's designed. Or we can say the same thing for any overhead in game.

not sure if nrs takes seriously complaints about 50/50s (not even an actual 50/50 cause you just need to hold back) on 200+ ping but wathever, not to mention that even on 200+ping you still have 1/3 of a second (300+ms) to react to at least either sound or animation.
I mean... having to press a single key (back) in a window between 300ms to 500ms is pretty easy, they won't make it braindead by holding down so complaining on this is a waste of time. But even the change would literally not impact sg in any sense except in 200+ ping games between clueless people.


Normal teleport is designed to hit stuff in the air. If you keep that and make it mid it's a pointless buff, cause if she is without bars you know it's gonna be high and can lead to a full punish with no chip damage. Also it will miss if you're trying a poke or some advancing strings. Losing those little advantages over sg in the moment that normal teleport becomes mid, again, doesn't seems a reasonable idea worth of a patch.


God knows how people that complains about Supergirl deal with Darkseid's teleport (actually strong but still not broken by any means, at the current state of things).

Anyway i'm not being useful to the main subject of the topic so i would say that in the next patch, given that the top10 will get slighty nerfed (except black adam dmg that will be destroyed due to him being used as counterpick to everything), i would just remove the gaps in supergirl and see how the new meta will react to it. Could think about reducing damage scaling, but depends on how much the other guys damage will be nerfed.

I never said the teleports were legitimate mixups i said that noobs online will treat it as a real mixup because it works against other noobs and when their wifi connection is shit. How is changing her regular teleport to a mid a pointless buff??? she would be able to use the teleport more consistently trying to catch button presses, like you said it currently misses if the opponents going for a poke or some advancing strings. I was saying if the overhead is so pointless, why would you guys be in such panic if it got switched to a mid, unless you rely on the gimmick yourself. The reason it would be switched to a mid is to get rid of the abuse that many supergirls do online and just use it as if its a mixup. My suggestion would as be a buff for her.

Also, 200ms was just a number i threw out there. There are plenty of supergirls with way worse ping.

 

[Basic Stupidity]

Lololol let's make all the F3s mid cuz 30 frames is reactable what's the difference lololol

Your comparing oranges to apples here and anyways there are plenty of f3 that are way less than 30 frames.

F3s dont reach full screen, cross up, go off screen and start from in the air as well. A player cant just get shit internet and mash f3 because theyll get whiff punished or get beat out by buttons however, a supergirl with shit internet can spam ex tele and get a few hits on sub par players. Overall, getting rid of the overhead would be healthier for the game.

 

[B. Shazzy]

I never said the teleports were legitimate mixups i said that noobs online will treat it as a real mixup because it works against other noobs and when their wifi connection is shit. How is changing her regular teleport to a mid a pointless buff??? she would be able to use the teleport more consistently trying to catch button presses, like you said it currently misses if the opponents going for a poke or some advancing strings. I was saying if the overhead is so pointless, why would you guys be in such panic if it got switched to a mid, unless you rely on the gimmick yourself. The reason it would be switched to a mid is to get rid of the abuse that many supergirls do online and just use it as if its a mixup. My suggestion would as be a buff for her.

Also, 200ms was just a number i threw out there. There are plenty of supergirls with way worse ping.

if thats really youre reason for wanting overhead gone, and not actually because youre most likely trash at blocking it of course lul its just online right, then stop. not gonna cater to a character adjustment because of internet issues get out of here with that

 

[Kooron Nation]

How does everyone feel about Supergirl's teleport changing to work like Scorpion's, meaning it becomes a combo starter?

Lmao imagine all the tears of salt if MKX was a back to block game, Scorpion's teleport is way faster, just try and bait it out and you'll be fine.

 

[SaSSolino]

@SaSSolino few pages ago you admited you don't know the character yet you post crap like "other strings" without even mentioning them. And when asked "what strings?" you reply about the same two strings we covered few pages ago. Like wtf? And "mixups" - I literally (like pretty much everyone) told you they are non existant for reasons stated all around this threat. How about you actually try playing this char before talking nonsense like "other strings" lol.

Like srsly now I want to play you so bad with her just to prove a point that you simply don't know the MU.

Yo I'll answer you because I know you, but let's not start another argument.

Of her string I know 5: b12, b2throw, 113, the one that restands and the one that makes her fly.

113 is plus.

The one that restands is safe, but has a gap so perhaps you don't feel like using it.

The string that makes her fly though has no gap, good range and can be cancelled in hoover, from which you can shoot lasers, air dash or teleport. You can either stay safe to build some meter, which you guys complain so much about, or even apply some pressure. This one can actually be thrown around in footsies too, even though I've been told that she had no other option besides b1.

The other Crimson guy said that she had no other string, but I've already found 2, so whatever I guess.

 

[Frenzy]

Yo I'll answer you because I know you, but let's not start another argument.

Of her string I know 5: b12, b2throw, 113, the one that restands and the one that makes her fly.

113 is plus.

The one that restands is safe, but has a gap so perhaps you don't feel like using it.

The string that makes her fly though has no gap, good range and can be cancelled in hoover, from which you can shoot lasers, air dash or teleport. You can either stay safe to build some meter, which you guys complain so much about, or even apply some pressure. This one can actually be thrown around in footsies too, even though I've been told that she had no other option besides b1.

The other Crimson guy said that she had no other string, but I've already found 2, so whatever I guess.

Actually, the string that makes her fly (f23) does have a gap that can be backdashed, and it is unsafe. In addition, you can be hit out of the air after doing f23 float cancel before you can cancel float into anything, including an air backdash.

 

[B. Shazzy]

Yo I'll answer you because I know you, but let's not start another argument.

Of her string I know 5: b12, b2throw, 113, the one that restands and the one that makes her fly.

113 is plus.

The one that restands is safe, but has a gap so perhaps you don't feel like using it.

The string that makes her fly though has no gap, good range and can be cancelled in hoover, from which you can shoot lasers, air dash or teleport. You can either stay safe to build some meter, which you guys complain so much about, or even apply some pressure. This one can actually be thrown around in footsies too, even though I've been told that she had no other option besides b1.

The other Crimson guy said that she had no other string, but I've already found 2, so whatever I guess.

literally every string you just mentioned has a gap/unsafe/ or a high some of them more than 1 of those things.

bro f23 or "the one that makes her fly" has a gap and is unsafe so again what strings does supergirl use? why cant you just admit supergirl is your personal problem, nobody would care but stop talking about her like you know somehong we dont

the character is free af if you know what youre doing but some people dont thats cool just dont talk about her then