Ideas for changes to Supergirl

[SaSSolino]

B2 1+3 is highly punishable in whiff, highly punishable on block, barely advances, and if it hits, nets you 200 damage if you spend a bar.

You aren't going to be throwing this out in footsies -- it is not a b12 alternative.

And 'some other string' for this situation doesn't exist.

Some characters don't even have that for footsies, so you'll survive; when you are close to your opponent you can use her other strings.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Some characters don't even have that for footsies, so you'll survive; when you are close to your opponent you can use her other strings.

What other strings

 

[Dankster Morgan]

It just as easy to react and you have to look out for that one single thing when playing against Adam and yet good players get hit by it, Supergirl has a list of mixups between tp, air dashes, oh, lows and you are telling me that Supergirl's is unviable?

I swear, this community has the worst downplayers.



The characters you mentioned are all top tiers that need to be toned down, and yet none of them have everything Supergirl has:

- Black Adam's mixup is laughable and Superman's are almost as bad. Only Atrocitus and Batman have mixups as good as hers.

- Her space control with lasers is matched only by Superman.

- Aquaman's mobility is ass, and you've already said that Adam and Superman are the only 2 character that match her in that aspect.

- Only Atrocitus is as oppressive as she is.

And again, we are talking about the absolute best in the roaster, and yet nobody has all the tools she has. She isn't safe and does less damage because she has everything else.



I can punish breath consistely actually, and if people are using your gaps consistently then you should mix it up and go for some other options. If you want those options to be safe, change character, but then you won't have her mobility, space control, mixups...

Well I don't main SG, I gain nothing by downplaying her. The problem is you're not looking at risk/reward on her mixups, it's not pretty. Idk if I should be laughing or cringing at the "only Atrocitus is as oppressive as her".. fuck dude how can you think that when you play Adam? What's so oppressive about 20% combos and - frames? Fucking Batman's pressure is oppressive, Aquaman chipping away at you for free, and having near 50% combos is oppressive, jeez.. and way more than Superman match and exceed her space control. And teleport mixups? What?

 

[SaSSolino]

What other strings

b2, 113 and whatever other string you feel like using

 

[sirshyguy]

Some characters don't even have that for footsies, so you'll survive; when you are close to your opponent you can use her other strings.

I'm having a hard time following this thread, but she really doesn't have other options for strings. F2 and its followups are unsafe, B1 and its followups are unsafe, and strings starting with 1 or 2 are highs and easy to poke under. Additionally, any of these strings canceled into safe specials like bf3 or close laser are interruptible. Like I don't want to downplay her, cause I think she's pretty solid, but @Juggs is right, her frame data lets her down. She can't pressure very well and is left unsafe if she tries.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

b2, 113 and whatever other string you feel like using

b2 1+3 is highly unsafe and only nets you 200 damage with a bar on hit.

112 is a high starter -- you aren't going to be using this close to people. High starters can work if they are footsie strings, but 11 has little range.

There's no other "whatever string you feel like using".

 

[x TeeJay o]

b2 1+3 is highly unsafe and only nets you 200 damage with a bar on hit.

112 is a high starter -- you aren't going to be using this close to people. High starters can work if they are footsie strings, but 11 has little range.

There's no other "whatever string you feel like using".

Stop responding to him lol. I feel like he's either trolling or legit has 0 idea what he's talking about

 

[ShArp]

@SaSSolino few pages ago you admited you don't know the character yet you post crap like "other strings" without even mentioning them. And when asked "what strings?" you reply about the same two strings we covered few pages ago. Like wtf? And "mixups" - I literally (like pretty much everyone) told you they are non existant for reasons stated all around this threat. How about you actually try playing this char before talking nonsense like "other strings" lol.

Like srsly now I want to play you so bad with her just to prove a point that you simply don't know the MU.

 

[Juggs]

you just listed a bunch of characters who are pretty much universally agreed as having too much. They are an excellent example of why she SHOULDN'T have all that shit. She much closer to being balanced with the mid tier than a character like Black Adam or Bats lol, im not saying she isn't undertuned, but you gotta be careful. Don't try to plug all her holes at once IMO

Lmao, that last sentence maaaaan.

Anyway, my point was if they stay the same, she should get all those buffs too. But in reality, even if she got the frame data buffs we want, she still wouldn't be top 10 if the top 7ish didn't get nerfed. What I mean by that is, these frame data buffs are more than reasonable when she will still have the same weaknesses just minus one of them.

 

[chores]

the threat of teleport is better than the teleport lol

 

[ShArp]

The teleports are strong with this one

 

[B. Shazzy]

Is B2 fullscreen tho? Read again kid.

Also it's not consistent accross the board, just like it isn't a consistent normal against float characters and Supergirl happens to be the worst when it comes to B2 whiffing lul

lul did i say anything about fullscreen youre the one making up imaginary supergirl frame data

and uhh its actually 100% consistent if you do it on males or from the right ranges against girls so get good i guess kid

Gunshot is high...

sigh there you go harley player thank me later

 

[Tweedy]

Why does she need more damage? Can't you end with mb trait and get decent damage? Not good, but decent?

I think she's fine, maybe make it to where there's no gap in b12 breath. Her breath is different than Superman's, it's like Scarecrow's breath or Vemonous D'vorah spray. I don't understand making it safe when those moves aren't, especially since it launches.

Supergirl has one of the best anti airs in the game, great buttons, is the only air dash character in the game with a very oppressive jump in attack. Her risk/reward is not great. Maybe at a surface level that seems like it completely kills the character. I just don't understand buffs, if we're looking at 6-8 other characters getting nerfed.

 

[myri]

I'd be fine with b1 and b12 being like -7 and -8 each if they made her regular ice breath safe.

 

[thlityoursloat]

Teleport no longer a crossup.

 

[God Confirm]

oh my @myri i knew even in the face of all logic, two linked posts showing him he's wrong, and SaltShaker even coming out of the woodwork and saying so, that you would like that redk9 post just because he was shitting on me. You salty seadog you

 

[myri]

oh my @myri i knew even in the face of all logic, two linked posts showing him he's wrong, and SaltShaker even coming out of the woodwork and saying so, that you would like that redk9 post just because he was shitting on me. You salty seadog you

What the fuck is wrong with you? Everytime you talk to me or about me you just start pulling bullshit assumptions out of nowhere and acting like a complete baby. I'm trying to have a discussion here and all you can talk about is some high school drama shit and calling me out for "deceptive wordplay". Either contribute or leave.

 

[thlityoursloat]

Serious question here.
From a close inspection at her moveset, it seems to me that her gameplan is supposed to be executed mostly from the air, she has a wealth of things she can do from the air. Jump in, air teleport, air straight laser, air low laser, float, float into jumpin, air dash into float, etc. Does it not seem fair that her grounded game is relatively poor to make up for her air game?

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

lul did i say anything about fullscreen youre the one making up imaginary supergirl frame data

and uhh its actually 100% consistent if you do it on males or from the right ranges against girls so get good i guess kid



sigh there you go harley player thank me later

I was talking about it jailing from fullscreen and you came talking about B2~gunshot like...
Also whatyou justdescribed is it not being consistent, if it works only on males and not at max range then it's inconsistent. But go spam Blue Beetle's laser I guess kid.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

It's really easy to look at Supergirl in a bubble, looking at her out of context with the rest of the cast and think she's perfectly fine. But when you throw her into the mix of all these other characters who can do what she can do but better, or has an entirely different but much more effective game plan than her is when it gets messy. She really doesn't need much and shouldn't excel in any one area, which she doesn't other than mobility which is fantastic. I really don't see the point of her hitting like she does, and having NO offense. Idk, there's these characters that control space as well as she does, has actually usable frame data, and way better offensive capabilities. Not to say that it's okay for those characters to have it all, but those are the characters she has to fight, soooo yeah

 

[God Confirm]

What the fuck is wrong with you? Everytime you talk to me or about me you just start pulling bullshit assumptions out of nowhere and acting like a complete baby. I'm trying to have a discussion here and all you can talk about is some high school drama shit and calling me out for "deceptive wordplay". Either contribute or leave.

what lol


Its not a bullshit assumption, it was a prediction I made that you would like one of the most retarded posts ive seen on here even in the face of all logic just because it took me shots at me and because you're currently salty at me for calling out on Discord this bs you're currently peddling, and you went ahead and did just that haha. If that was an assumption I made it was 100% accurate lol.







also, i did contribute:

I expressed that these aren't minor changes at all and that labelling them as such is akin to the scarecrow "fix" thread. These are significant changes and far too heavy handed for a patch where most of the top characters are most likely going to be nerfed down. That's my opinion on your SG buffs and a legitimate contribution to this thread.

It's not a serious discussion at all if people aren't allowed to disagree with you, thats just a circlejerk. But as per usual it seems thats all you really want, because as soon if I disagree with you or even lightly poke fun at something, its straight to the personal insults from you. Me saying this shit doesn't mean "I have issues", that I'm behaving like a baby, that I'm full of shit, or any of the other stuff you've said to me today. It just means I disagree with you and especially your wording in this thread. Get over it and stop having such a sulk over it

 

[ShadyHeart]

Supergirl is too fair of a character in a game that is about being as unfair as possible.

 

[B. Shazzy]

I was talking about it jailing from fullscreen and you came talking about B2~gunshot like...
Also whatyou justdescribed is it not being consistent, if it works only on males and not at max range then it's inconsistent. But go spam Blue Beetle's laser I guess kid.

it works on males max range tho i said females only require close range theres like 6 girls in a 30 game roster i think harley will be fine lul

nrs players i swear

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

it works on males max range tho i said females only require close range theres like 6 girls in a 30 game roster i think harley will be fine lul

nrs players i swear

It randomly whiffs against males too.

No one said she needed it or anything...

Little big planet players, I swear

 

[PLAY FOR KEEPSIES]

Supergirl is too fair of a character in a game that is about being as unfair as possible.

every fighter is bout being as unfair as posible