General/Other - Ermac Are You Satisfied with The Design of Ermac?

[Dope Dojo]

I can see why ex Force Blast doesn't do much damage considering it throws the opponent to the other side of the screen. Still, as an armored move that can easily be low profiled or neutral jumped, or in some cases simply walked through...Even if the hitbox was fixed, it'd be nice to do a wee bit more.

In general, I feel MOS isn't really in need of any major buffs. Like I said in my previous post, It would be nice if disappear had slightly less frames of recovery (Or ex Disappear) other then that, general twerks to make the moves work as intended. Would it be nice if he had a B3 or F4 string that was safe on block? Sure, but like others have stated, Ermac walks a thin line. Of course, imo, some characters long jumped that line completely but that's a different topic for a different thread.

My suggestions for Mystic would be to give Ermac armor on his TK Moves, not wake up reversal armor, but actual armor. Or, reduce the block disadvantage for them. If it's a zoning variation, let him actually be able to zone with it. Run Cancel block will get around TKP which is only saved by it's great front hit box. Make the move -14 or -12 with armor. Still punishable up close, but not from the distance it is now.


As for Spectral, (original quote of mine: Ermac players like to pretend it doesn't exist)

I'd agree with @Temjiin on a few of his suggestions. Though I also think that variation just needs to be overhauled completely. Story Mode, Ermac was flying around ripping trees out of the ground and shooting projectiles. Let's get some of that going. Imagine, being able to fly and do a TK Lift from the air into an Aerial combo? (Tanya got them Marvel combos too )

@colt That'd be kind of interesting ^_^

@zaf have you noticed at times doing Ex Teleport in the air, Ermac will just land with the forward palm but not the spirit fingers?

 

[KNX]

The problem with Tele-push is that the risk is still comparable to Tele-hang, yet the reward for Push on hit is so small. Make this move around -10 to -12 and I'm happy. The move then becomes harder to punish when used at optimal spacing. Misuse grants the opp an easy punish.

Spectral having no air mobility is the main gripe I have. His movement in the air is so slow and susceptible to AAs and air-to-airs. An Air Dash is the most obvious addition to this variation. There's also no option to cancel SA without commiting to a special or slowly descending. That is completely ridiculous and doesn't even make the slightest bit of sense considering Hover in his other variations can be cancelled.

Said this like a million times but Spectral Mac should dominate the air. They gave him an embarrasing set of normals in SA and no unique attacks aside from Charge which can be done on the ground (They didn't even bother giving this move an MB option, which could've granted him a decent armored wakeup). No property changes to any of his air specials. SA Ground pound should be an unblockable, Blast from SA could've been changed to an air-to-ground projectile, could've been given a Superman style Dive Punch, etc. etc.

 

[funkdoc]

re: adding new moves in updates, i strongly suspect that the kitana/shinnok/quan stuff was meant to be there from the beginning but they had to rush the game out a bit. kinda like the deathstroke changes in inj

so sadly i wouldn't hold out hope for that =/

 

[Temjiin]

re: adding new moves in updates, i strongly suspect that the kitana/shinnok/quan stuff was meant to be there from the beginning but they had to rush the game out a bit. kinda like the deathstroke changes in inj

so sadly i wouldn't hold out hope for that =/

I can tell you right now, I know that characters had moves that were removed, Ermac included. I can actually list them in a week or two.

 

[Afumba]

No it is not +1 as far as I know.
Better B1 hitbox would be nice.



Im pretty sure afumba meant perfect as in he won't require any changes. Not perfect in the sense of dragon ball z cell, where he has every known tool to man. That is not what the majority of us ermac players are asking for. We are generally asking for small tweaks to just fix some issues that his moves have. No character should be perfect I agree, but they should be perfect in that sense that their move list is polished and everything just works as intended. Ermac has some issues where some tools do not work and there are not other go to tools.

Also I do not think it is "ok" to accept that moves are not working saying "It happens with every character". Jacqui's tools were fixed. They weren't buffed/nerfed just tweaked so that they work.

Ermac armor not working for example, is not a scenario where we can just go to another tool. His ex force blast is the only move in the MoS variation that has armor ( Yes teleport has armor on wake up, but I am talking about non wake up scenarios)

Again like I said. Asking for fixes to current moves/specials is not a buff. Ermac is walking a thin line when it comes to being dumb, I can agree.
For example I listed that ex teleport could be given armor due to the fact that ex blast does not always work and that it might take a lot of re-working. I however went on record to say that giving raw ex teleport armor might be a little too strong. That giving him an armor launcher to use in gaps of strings that leads to a 30% vortex scenario is very strong.... scary even. So the proper solution is a re-work to ex blast.

MoS is pretty much where he should be and I can imagine ( once again) that when @Afumba said he is close to perfect... that this is also what he meant.

If you feel that we should look to other tools, when it comes to ex force blast... then please enlighten me on what we should try when our only armor move is bugged out ?

EDIT: Fixing B1 to actually hit mid all the time would be a nice tweak too. It is not a buff as on most characters this isn't really a problem. But on females and other characters, B1 can whiff from time to time. It is clearly listed as a mid. Once again, Jacqui had a similar issue fixed for her where she was unable to hit certain combos consistently on females. This was tweaked and polished off for Jacqui. The same can be done for ermac and anyone else in the game for that matter.

Also for this tool ( B1), it is a good advancing normal. Probably the best one that ermac has. If you want us to use other tools then once again enlighten me on which normal we should use when B1 is really our only go to advancing normal.

Yea - lol... i didnt mean "perfect" in the sense of giving him everything one can have. No character should have that. I indeed meant perfect in the sense of "polished and working as intended". And yes close to perfect = pretty much were he should be. The "close" is just there cuz he could use some polishing not because i want him to be the next god tier.

F212 does not have gaps so you can just hitconfirm off F21 into D2 on hit or 2 on block. I think it's still +1 on block, or did they change that?

Better hitbox on B1 would be a huge buff for him, imo. I would very much welcome it.

F212 is slightly - ; its -1 or -2.

 

[Error]

I can tell you right now, I know that characters had moves that were removed, Ermac included. I can actually list them in a week or two.

My interest is piqued.

 

[Zoidberg747]

I concede, I hope he gets buffed. I dont even struggle against MoS but I am always scared to buff vortex characters lol.

 

[GLoRToR]

Which one is this Ermac again? I think he's either top 5 or bottom 5. That's all there is in this game.

 

[Nyaa]

Thanks for the insightful input...

 

[zaf]

I concede, I hope he gets buffed. I dont even struggle against MoS but I am always scared to buff vortex characters lol.

Once again.... The majority of us ermac players are not asking for buffs. Just corrections to his current novelist to work properly

 

[Zoidberg747]

Once again.... The majority of us ermac players are not asking for buffs. Just corrections to his current novelist to work properly

Semantics. And quite a few people were asking for straight buffs.

P.S. I said on my first post I always support fixes.

 

[zaf]

Semantics. And quite a few people were asking for straight buffs.

P.S. I said on my first post I always support fixes.

No... Not semantics.....
I'm not asking for straight buffs
I'm asking for a fix
Go look at my new thread

I ask for a fix. I suggest other options and even say the harm armor on teleport can do
I am being far more then reasonable
This isn't even complaining or whining. This is straight up bug reporting

 

[Zoidberg747]

No... Not semantics.....
I'm not asking for straight buffs
I'm asking for a fix
Go look at my new thread

I ask for a fix. I suggest other options and even say the harm armor on teleport can do
I am being far more then reasonable
This isn't even complaining or whining. This is straight up bug reporting

And I wasnt referring to you. I was referring to the people that wanted straight buffs for Mystic and Spectral. After some reasearch those buffs are probably warranted.

The EX tele is moot because nmost characters dont have armor on EX tele except for wakeup. Doubt theyd give it to Ermac.

 

[Scoot Magee]

I disagree that ermac needs buffs. He is what other high damage 50/50 characters should be for the most part. His overhead may be unsafe but it's got good range and is insanely fast. It can even be used in footsies which makes it pretty strong imo. I play against a good ermac and he can be pretty hard to deal with but if you block right he dies.

 

[zaf]

And I wasnt referring to you. I was referring to the people that wanted straight buffs for Mystic and Spectral. After some reasearch those buffs are probably warranted.

The EX tele is moot because nmost characters dont have armor on EX tele except for wakeup. Doubt theyd give it to Ermac.

Oh okay then. As long as you are not talking about me lol ok

I disagree that ermac needs buffs. He is what other high damage 50/50 characters should be for the most part. His overhead may be unsafe but it's got good range and is insanely fast. It can even be used in footsies which makes it pretty strong imo. I play against a good ermac and he can be pretty hard to deal with but if you block right he dies.

Do you mean niredina?

 

[Scoot Magee]

Oh okay then. As long as you are not talking about me lol ok



Do you mean niredina?

No, I've been playing LI joe a lot our local scene on Thursdays. He's the only Ermac I've been playing but he's very good.

 

[EOTL]

They should change telepush so people can play MK9 ermac

 

[14K]

My apologies if im breaking anyone's chain of thought here, or direction of conversation. But as im trying to slowly make Ermac my main and so far i have been doing moderately well, i would like to ask a very simple question.
Why Ermac? what is it about him that the Ermac community loves so so much that would keep you guys so invested in the character @zaf and @Big D
Personally im switchin because my main is no longer in the game, and him and Subzero are the lasting remnants of what i once enjoyed about MK. But looking at Big D week in and week out in the ESL and looking at the characters he has to put up with "Quan/Sonya/KungL/EB/Scorpion" that in my opinion far suppress Ermac in all his strengths, what makes you guys keep at it with this character? is it just character loyalty or is there something im missing and this character is, without sugar coating it, actually able to play hand in hand with the likes of the characters i just mentioned?

 

[BoromiRofGeo]

Personally im switchin because my main is no longer in the game, and him and Subzero are the lasting remnants of what i once enjoyed about MK. But looking at Big D week in and week out in the ESL and looking at the characters he has to put up with "Quan/Sonya/KungL/EB/Scorpion" that in my opinion far suppress Ermac in all his strengths, what makes you guys keep at it with this character? is it just character loyalty or is there something im missing and this character is, without sugar coating it, actually able to play hand in hand with the likes of the characters i just mentioned?

it's called character loyalty.

 

[Temjiin]

@zaf vs Jer were you getting D2 instead of B12/F21D2?

 

[Da Tac0]

Lives by the sword and dies by it.

 

[MadeOfMetal]

i wish they would have made a classic ninja ermac brought to modern mkx looks. i miss the old ninja style, i have a nostalgia for mk1-3 skins

 

[zaf]

@zaf vs Jer were you getting D2 instead of B12/F21D2?

Yes. I have terrible execution on ps4 pad. My ps2 converter stopped working

 

[14K]

it's called character loyalty.

Did you read with enouth attention my coment?

i wish they would have made a classic ninja ermac brought to modern mkx looks. i miss the old ninja style, i have a nostalgia for mk1-3 skins

So im not the only one? i thought i was going crazy, everyone i asked about ermacs new Mummy Sorcerer look everyone praizes it to hell and back and defends it with their lifes... i dig the cloak and all that but everytime he shows his face i feel like puking, and everytime i look at the character the thought that comes to mind is. " this is no longer a ninja, this is no longer Ermac"

 

[I GOT HANDS]

Did you read with enouth attention my coment?



So im not the only one? i thought i was going crazy, everyone i asked about ermacs new Mummy Sorcerer look everyone praizes it to hell and back and defends it with their lifes... i dig the cloak and all that but everytime he shows his face i feel like puking, and everytime i look at the character the thought that comes to mind is. " this is no longer a ninja, this is no longer Ermac"

I agree so much. Not an Ermac player and never will be, but he's changed so much hell even his colour palette has undergone massive changes... He should have been the first to get a Klassic skin, respect to the old school Ermac players