You can know for sure though that I believe 100% in what I'm saying.
I'm also trying my best to walk you through my thought process. That's going to speak to readers better than, "He sucks now!"
He had a ton of tools. Now, those tools aren't as good now, but they are still there - and they still combine to create a pretty formidable arsenal.
If I thought he sucked, I would say so - but he doesn't.
i respect you as a member of this site, that some post i enjoy reading from time to time.
im not trying to be mean in any way GAV, i just must state, that you said you just jumped online and found he was A+ - B-.
ok let me say this in a nice way:
i am a Triborg main, im with him no matter what.
and with that i didn't just jump online, i labbed the hell out of all the borgs!
I played out every counter poke, every backstep, every tool i could think of, as well as many sugesstions on this site through PM's, and Online practice.
He lost almost everything in his neutral from this patch alone.
the main fact is he can't safeley setup Drones and convert on many of his great combos.
he lost alot of damage to those combos.
his main sorce of damage buff has been toned down greatly.
his starters have been neutered.
F13 can't freeze.
B1 can't freeze.
B3U4D3/4 is very unsafe, and its not hit confirm-able.
Midscreen HTB is Armorable, backdashable now.
almost every starter thats not hit confirmable is severaly punishable. and for what mediocre damage?
how does he not suck?
main point, name 5 characters that are top or top mid that you would pick over him, tell me how they mixup worse than he does, have worse neutral, worse reach, worse armor, and those who do less damage midscreen meterless and metered than he does now on top of all that.
if you can supply 5 characters that meet those requirements then ill bite.
but since there is not 5 characters that have worse mixup's than he does, worse neutral, worse damage midscreen, and even greater punishable wakeups then him. i just can't.
im not saying he is bottom tier, because frankly we don't really know yet. but i can tell you, he definitely doesn't look top or top mid. he has a struggle with matchups, and lets just say it doesn't look good for Triborg right now.
Can't argue with that. I'm not trying to paint a false picture. I'm not that great with him, but I'm beating comparable players with decent consistency.
They may not be great, but neither am I (at least not with CSZ) and I keep winning.
If you thought (like I do) that there is absolutely no chance that he gets buffed, would you still be holding fast to this argument?
perhaps its because those players you have been playing that you said are not great, are making many mistakes they shouldn't, can't it be that they don't know what the matchup is, since he is so new with so many changes?
every time i use a new character even playing against high level players, i do great!
i win almost every game, and thats because they are not used to the matchup, they don't recognize the mixups, the animations, the setups, the visual Q's, the sounds on screen.
and online, is a hole nother story.
i played a friend 30 sets in a row before he realized Cyrax htb setup off Standing 4 was backdashable.
this was pre patch.
he screemed every single match that he had no options. he was doomed, he couldn't block, and i kept telling him, find a way out, don't block it.
set 30 he backdashes.
my point here is, online players don't always know what to do against the matchup, even when they are familar with it.
and online FT1ers sure as hell don't know: in fact i think they won't even play you 5 times if they are losing, and they certainly won't stay on the same character to learn the matchup.
