Question - Kenshi Who is worse than Kenshi?

[TheGangstaFace]

So I guess we need ex roll and ex db4 to be safe for them to be good than? Thats what your saying is that its bad because its punishable? So you want it to be safe and have no consequence for being wrong when you use said reversal? It being punishable balances these moves.

Predators players would love reversals like ex roll or db4.

Dude we are talking about REVERSALS. Reversals are supposed to be fast. You're just focusing on the safe aspect. Dude how often does someone throw out something that's -1000??? You're if the reversal is that slow you might as well punish with a button and get a full combo wtf

 

[Immortal]

First off all people should stop creating threads like this. We have already planty of those, really no reason to make another one.

And don't get me wrong - im disappointed by NRS patching politics like most Kenshi (and not only) players but it is what it is.

Possessed and Kenjutsu are okish. Problem with that is being okish in MK X - it doesn't mean that this character is good enough. In a game where like 15-20 other characters (variations) can easily be on rotation for top 10 Kenshi has no place.

Can you win with him? Sure, like with anybody if you outplay your oponent. It just gonna be harder with Kenshi than with other, better characters / variations.

And it doesn't matter that some characters have only 1 viable variation and 2 bad ones. Coz usually that 1 is considered top tier / top 10 and that's all you really need. Almost any competitive player will take 1 good variation over 2 okish.

Balanced is bad. No point in whining about it for 100th time, if anybody wants to play Kenshi than he should forget about this variation. And no, you wont do much with this variation, you can win if somebody doesn't know the MU or if youre outplaying hard your oponent. Other than that you probably gonna get destroyed on first whiffed special.

Also most of my Kenshi mains/friends should use more parry, it's pretty great in Kenjutsu. Granted you can get destroyed on a bad read but i rarely see any Kenshi player using parry (not reflect) at all which is a mistake imo - it can stop a lot of bullshit.

Also people saying you can and should cancel any string into push (especially in Kenjutsu) to make it ok, should.... quit the game.

Anyway, Kenshi in MK X is how he is, probably not gonna change much / more if at all. So unless you love that character like me i suggest you pick up another variation / character as your main if you wanna compete and use Kenshi only for fun or certain MUs. No point it constant whining.

 

[TheGangstaFace]

Zoning/keep away playstyle has been made to be weak in this game, so it's only normal for Balanced to be weak.

Kenshi as entire character is made to be a zoner. Balanced - all zoning (ass) possessed - mixture of offense and zoning (zoning is abysmal, worse than balanced. Better offense but still bad. 3 hit advantage on his overhead special even though it pushes them away a little and he has bad buttons lol) kenjutsu - offensive (meh offense and the little zoning tools he has are laughable)

 

[TheGangstaFace]

Mournful? Gurl bye. Assassin is clearly the best.

Not according to kitana prime and from what I've played against

 

[Levaranoia]

F**k this lame ass fuccboi character!

 

[thlityoursloat]

Dude we are talking about REVERSALS. Reversals are supposed to be fast. You're just focusing on the safe aspect. Dude how often does someone throw out something that's -1000??? You're if the reversal is that slow you might as well punish with a button and get a full combo wtf

Clearly you're not aware Ermac exists.
Dude, no offense, but literally all you've been doing is post nonsense.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

A bunch of people tell me kenshi isn't bad, that he is at least mid tier and us kenshi players just need to play him correctly. Please discuss who is worse then Kenshi AS A WHOLE (not just a single worse variation) because I can't think of anyone and I would love to hear what others thoughts are on this.

People seem to be missing the point. Yes, kenjutsu and possessed are fine. But can anyone name many characters that don't have at least one variation better than both of these?

People seem to be missing this point here ^ you can't just say "Unbreakable Sub" because there is also Grandmaster Sub who is obviously leaps and bounds ahead of Kenshi.

I've gotta say no, there is probably nobody who's best variation is worse than Kenshi's best, although Jason and Ermac are close (offline). If we call the Triborg individual characters then obviously Cyber Sub is much worse, but as a base character he still has Sektor which is once again, leaps and bounds ahead of Kenshis best.

I don't think anyone doesn't have a variation worse than Kenshi's best. It's a shame because he only needs such SMALL tweaks in Kenjutsu and he could really be a force. Ah well.

 

[DET_BLAKEANATOR]

People seem to be missing this point here ^ you can't just say "Unbreakable Sub" because there is also Grandmaster Sub who is obviously leaps and bounds ahead of Kenshi.

I've gotta say no, there is probably nobody with a worse variation then Kenshi. If we call the Triborg individual characters then obviously Cyber Sub is much worse, but as a base character he still has Sektor which is once again, leaps and bounds ahead of Kenshis best.

I don't think anyone doesn't have a variation worse than Kenshi's best. It's a shame because he only needs such SMALL tweaks in Kenjutsu and he could really be a force. Ah well.

Glad someone understands lol

 

[EdenianWarrior]

Not according to kitana prime and from what I've played against

Well I'd like to know how. I can't se it better than Royal storm.

 

[KeyserSoze]

Kenshi players seem unnaturally tied to balanced. Shinnok players arnt tied at the hip to necro, like dafuq?

This is so true.

 

[BanTheTesters]

Jacqui Briggs

Uh...no..

I definitely will not put Jacqui as the worst. I think the buffs she got made her a way better character all around she is B tier atleast

Agreed, her normal's are butt-cheek soup but she hits hard when shes in and she got some decent buffs in the last patch.

Damn here T-rex like arms..

 

[gam224]

THE CHARACTER IS A ZONER WTF LMAO. Look at Kitana. Just spams fans and glaves all day with ridiculous damage and great staggers

Mournful has comparable damage to posessed and kenjutsu. Kitana doesn't have any solid rush down in any variation unlike kenjutsu which is pretty solid, 50/50's make up for a lack of staggers.

 

[gam224]

Kenshi as entire character is made to be a zoner. Balanced - all zoning (ass) possessed - mixture of offense and zoning (zoning is abysmal, worse than balanced. Better offense but still bad. 3 hit advantage on his overhead special even though it pushes them away a little and he has bad buttons lol) kenjutsu - offensive (meh offense and the little zoning tools he has are laughable)

M2dave strikes again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Gofer_MK_]

There is no clear Bottom 1 character.

 

[imblackjames]

drunken master bo by far

 

[Tweedy]

People seem to be missing this point here ^ you can't just say "Unbreakable Sub" because there is also Grandmaster Sub who is obviously leaps and bounds ahead of Kenshi.

I've gotta say no, there is probably nobody who's best variation is worse than Kenshi's best, although Jason and Ermac are close (offline). If we call the Triborg individual characters then obviously Cyber Sub is much worse, but as a base character he still has Sektor which is once again, leaps and bounds ahead of Kenshis best.

I don't think anyone doesn't have a variation worse than Kenshi's best. It's a shame because he only needs such SMALL tweaks in Kenjutsu and he could really be a force. Ah well.

Have you played Tanya since the nerfs?

She's honestly a joke tbh.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

Have you played Tanya since the nerfs?

She's honestly a joke tbh.

maybe Tanya although people telling me Pyro is dope now I wont comment on what I don't know but yeah its possible Tanya worse than Kenshi good call

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

CSZ is actually worse then Kenshi now.

I agree

 

[conqueror]

when i hear some people say play kenjutsu or possessed instead

 

[freerf245]

Bo Rai Cho is a joke imo.

 

[SaSSolino]

after the XL patch I can't think of any low tier really, every character has at least a mid tier variation in my opinion, and so does kenshi.

Tanya

Tanya

What are these tools that base pyro Tanya possesses? What kinda nonsense are you talking about?

Gaps for days in 80% of her strings. No real overhead combo starter (f3 fully charged does not count so don't you even) sub par zoning.

She loses to almost every other zoner in the game and is free to pressure rush down characters. It's actually hard for me to think of a winning match up for her. Prolly High tech Jacquie but that's like a freebie to most characters. She use to have more favorable match ups but patches continuously Nerfed her all the while buffing the other characters she could beat before.

She has low damage output meterless and metered. Low 20s meterless high 20s for a bar. They've nerfed her damage 3 times now when before she could get 31% for a bar.

She annoys with her air mobility till you realize everything she's doing is punishable.

@Vak Phoenix Can you think of winning match ups for Pyro?

I know but I'm a rebel

I'd say nexromancer shinnok is worse than balanced.

necro isn't bad, he's just not as good as the other variations... and boring

Fixed. Only some cyrax players (who probably don't even play cyrax) say that

Cyrax is top 10 or 12 imo.

really? why?

 

[Zabru]

People seem to be missing this point here ^ you can't just say "Unbreakable Sub" because there is also Grandmaster Sub who is obviously leaps and bounds ahead of Kenshi.

I've gotta say no, there is probably nobody who's best variation is worse than Kenshi's best, although Jason and Ermac are close (offline). If we call the Triborg individual characters then obviously Cyber Sub is much worse, but as a base character he still has Sektor which is once again, leaps and bounds ahead of Kenshis best.

I don't think anyone doesn't have a variation worse than Kenshi's best. It's a shame because he only needs such SMALL tweaks in Kenjutsu and he could really be a force. Ah well.

I truly agree with this. We want one variation to be a possible candidate for Top 10 and most of the community wants it to be balanced although Kenjutsu is way closer but still a distance off.

 

[Zabru]

Also people saying you can and should cancel any string into push (especially in Kenjutsu) to make it ok, should.... quit the game.

I agree with this very much, it's not even safe and nets you shit for damage. I'm kinda interested in why you think parry is good since you need to cancel it additional time in most strings and the amount of times it must be cancelled depends on when the string is initially parried and if the opponent ends the string early they get to punish you.

 

[YoloRoll1stHit]

WELL, i have an extremely easy time beating grandmaster players with pyro to the point where it feels like she just beats him. Sub has an extremely hard time trying to catch her and she really doesn't give two fucks about ice-clone when she has a life lead.

Also i agree with shroud the best i usually can catch people with is f+3(run cancel) into b+3 u_u

I hope this is an April fool joke

 

[KeyserSoze]

Haha, this is classic.