Question - Kenshi Who is worse than Kenshi?

[STRYKIE]

99% of the time youre gonna get a 30-34% for 1 bar, not too bad right? but then you compare him to the rest of the cast and you also have to take into consideration that most of these times this is you canceling off his overhead or low normal (no hit confirming, you have to commit to the combo). So anyways if you want good damage you spend 2 bars for I believe 41-43%. Now all of this wouldn't be so bad if all of kenshis normals weren't slow, bad zoning (this variation isn't meant for zoning purposes but the base character IS according to his frames). And you know what? I'd be fine with ALL of this. But the ex overhead sword doesn't restand lol. So if you're in the air at any point when I hit you with this, no combo for me. ggs

Kenjutsu has a meterless launcher and I'm pretty sure (I could be wrong) he can use that to accumulate 30% just fine.

If you're talking about how you have 2-3 frames to link after meterless rising sword, please shove it. Nobody was giving pre-patch Tempest Lao's damage potential that vote of sympathy.

You are aware that EX DB4 does restand right? and now that 2112+4 properly launches, he can now use that as a follow up to get some pretty nasty damage out of it, more so than EX DF1 in the first place. You can also use this to hit-confirm B32 serviceably (which is -5 by itself IIRC) if you're not feeling the YOLO B3xxRising Sword.

 

[Thazeekster608]

Jacqui Briggs

I definitely will not put Jacqui as the worst. I think the buffs she got made her a way better character all around she is B tier atleast

 

[TheGangstaFace]

Pyro Tanya. Cause Pyro Tanya loses to Kenshi in all variations.

Just because she's bad AGAINST kenshi doesn't mean she's worse than kenshi wtf lmao

 

[spliti]

Kenshi isn't even close to being bad. Get good.

 

[Landonio]

Dan.

 

[The Farmer]

There are "bottom" tier characters in this game, but from what I can gather the margin between the bottom and top is so much thinner then previous games. So the complaining and downplaying for mkx has gotten more trivial it seems.

 

[Awkward Sloth]

Just because she's bad AGAINST kenshi doesn't mean she's worse than kenshi wtf lmao

If you think a character is so bad then a character that loses to such a character would be even worse.

You are over estimating Pyro Tanya and under estimating Kenshi.

But please explain to me how Pyro Tanya is a superior character than Kenshi. I'm all ears

 

[SneakyTortoise]

People seem to be missing the point. Yes, kenjutsu and possessed are fine. But can anyone name many characters that don't have at least one variation better than both of these?

 

[TheGangstaFace]

Kenjutsu has a meterless launcher and I'm pretty sure (I could be wrong) he can use that to accumulate 30% just fine.

If you're talking about how you have 2-3 frames to link after meterless rising sword, please shove it. Nobody was giving pre-patch Tempest Lao's damage potential that vote of sympathy.

You are aware that EX DB4 does restand right? and now that 2112+4 properly launches, he can now use that as a follow up to get some pretty nasty damage out of it, more so than EX DF1 in the first place. You can also use this to hit-confirm B32 serviceably (which is -5 by itself IIRC) if you're not feeling the YOLO B3xxRising Sword.

I use Lao so personally I gave it sympathy lol and also that Lao link is actually possible online. Pre patch it was possible. That kenjutsu link is stupid online AND offline so gtfo with that. And yes I know about the restand, that's what you spend the second bar on. And gtfo with that 9f high that doesn't advance at all. 2 is -14 and 2112+4 is -21 and sure 211 is safe but whoopdy do. It can't be used as a stagger cuz he has bad buttons so you're stuck blocking yet again. Try running a match where you use nothing but highs. Why do you think tremor is awful now? Without his FIVE frames given to him off ex low crystal and without his pseudo unblockables (latest patch even removed it where you could spend a bar to do it) and now he's trash. Everyone dropped him including djt who was like in love with him lol

 

[Yoaks]

Lol. Kenjutsu and possessed still have trash zoning and they need meter to get damage. You actually really need 2 bars in kenjutsu to get damage. And possessed has some useless tools. Such as bf3 and his tele which you can literally react to every time. This isn't imposter shinnok with a god like njk. Also a character playing competitively and a character being bottom 3 is completely different

Possessed has meh meter less damage but Kenjutsu gets low to mid 30%. For a bar he gets 40%. He also has db4 as a good armored reversal that also serves as an aa that nets him 34%-37%.

 

[TheGangstaFace]

People seem to be missing the point. Yes, kenjutsu and possessed are fine. But can anyone name many characters that don't have at least one variation better than both of these?

Exactly

 

[TheGangstaFace]

If you think a character is so bad then a character that loses to such a character would be even worse.

You are over estimating Pyro Tanya and under estimating Kenshi.

But please explain to me how Pyro Tanya is a superior character than Kenshi. I'm all ears

Wtf? I'm not even conversating with you anymore. Kenshi BEAT KITANA and kitana could arguably be TOP 10. Get out of this forum please

 

[Yoaks]

Kenshi is far from trash or unviable.

 

[TheGangstaFace]

Possessed has meh meter less damage but Kenjutsu gets low to mid 30%. For a bar he gets 40%. He also has db4 as a good armored reversal that also serves as an aa that nets him 34%-37%.

A good armored reversal? It's 16f and -29 on block...idk what copy of mkxl you have

 

[dribirut]

Jason, jackie, goro, boraicho.

 

[TheGangstaFace]

Kenshi is far from trash or unviable.

At this point in the game, most of the cast can be argued for being top 10. Almost every character in the game has something ridiculous to them. Kenshi does not.

 

[STRYKIE]

I use Lao so personally I gave it sympathy lol and also that Lao link is actually possible online. Pre patch it was possible. That kenjutsu link is stupid online AND offline so gtfo with that. And yes I know about the restand, that's what you spend the second bar on. And gtfo with that 9f high that doesn't advance at all. 2 is -14 and 2112+4 is -21 and sure 211 is safe but whoopdy do. It can't be used as a stagger cuz he has bad buttons so you're stuck blocking yet again. Try running a match where you use nothing but highs. Why do you think tremor is awful now? Without his FIVE frames given to him off ex low crystal and without his pseudo unblockables (latest patch even removed it where you could spend a bar to do it) and now he's trash. Everyone dropped him including djt who was like in love with him lol

I was talking about using 2112+4 as a punish conversion string, not as a pressure tool.

Tremor doesn't have a viable overhead by itself nor a 13f advancing mid that can also stuff armor in some instances. Nor particularly fast armor in any variation actually.

Tempest's hat spin into standing 4 and Kenjutsu's rising sword into D1 are effectively the same window, stop moving the goalposts.

 

[Yoaks]

Also Kenjutsu doesn't have to take a risk if you cancel b32/f2 into push.

 

[Yoaks]

A good armored reversal? It's 16f and -29 on block...idk what copy of mkxl you have

So I guess Mileenas ex roll and Laos spin are bad reversals then uh?

 

[exflyingbooty]

Wtf? I'm not even conversating with you anymore. Kenshi BEAT KITANA and kitana could arguably be TOP 10. Get out of this forum please

Something tells me you jump a lot

 

[DDutchguy]

At this point, if someone dares to tell you that Kenshi isn't bad (specially Balanced, time will tell if the buffs/fixes that the other two variations received are enough, I honestly think they still don't even reach mid tier) it just means that this person either has absolutely no idea about MKX or is trolling you.

Probably master of storms raiden, unbreakable sub, and fisticuffs cage are close to the level of trash Balanced Kenshi is.

Kenjutsu is pretty alright. Sue me.

 

[TheGangstaFace]

I was talking about using 2112+4 as a punish conversion string, not as a pressure tool.

Tremor doesn't have a viable overhead by itself nor a 13f advancing mid that can also stuff armor in some instances. Nor particularly fast armor in any variation actually.

Tempest's hat spin into standing 4 and Kenjutsu's rising sword into D1 are effectively the same window, stop moving the goalposts.

I guess I'm just a wizard then. Pre patch would I fuck up the Lao link sometimes? Yes. But I could still do it probably 8/10 times. I showed my friend the kenshi combo yesterday and it took me 20+ tries to link that. Shits impossible lol. And you say as a punish but kenjutsu is designed to be offensive and he has no offensive tools about him besides his overhead and his 311 :/ and honestly db1 is kinda pointless. Combo link is nearly impossible and its negative anyways and anti airing with that is impossible. Better off going for the overhead or the push

 

[DDutchguy]

You actually really need 2 bars in kenjutsu to get damage.

Oh please. You can get a piss easy 9-frame 31% meterless punisher, 41-43% for 1 bar in the corner off of your B3 and F2 respectively and midscreen get like 34-35% for 1 bar off of a 50/50.

 

[BigMacMcLovin]

Enter @YOMI REO with some game breaking Kenshi tech in 3...2...1...

 

[TheGangstaFace]

So I guess Mileenas ex roll and Laos spin are bad reversals then uh?

generaly speaking mileenas ex roll is BAD as a reversal. 16f -31. But if your opponent is blocking low and afraid of it then the ex roll is an overhead. And who has ever said Laos spin is bad? It's 7f and switches screen position. That was stupid to bring up Laos spin. Not even relevant to the discussion