Yeah but shadow's post made it seem like there was an inherent mixup in the string itself. What you're talking about is pretty reasonable especially in terms of this game. And it's still very much the same now except you can low profile the f1 now.
I didn't play mk9 like that so I don't know about it. But your post is basically the last paragraph in mine and something I was trying to address in my questions to crimson.
Which characters?
His mids were very useful
Sorry, I'm bad at picking up on emotional subtext. (I might be alone there, but I doubt it.)
It has been a while but i think Kenshi, Quan, Takeda and maybe a few i cant think of
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I think f1 could be fine at -3 -5 and the same for f12. Basically making it like a better down poke.
How was it way too good?
idk how negative it should be. I actually am against f1 being mid due to the community's feelings but it doesn't change my opinion though. However, it still leaves the issue of his weak neutral. His pokes are highly negative, with very poor hit advantage, so he usually loses that battle. His safest mid starts up in 14 frames or more and his quickest mid whiffs, sometimes at point blank, against several characters. His longest reaching normal, being d4, is slow as well. If his usable mids were better no one would miss f1(ok, maybe a little). I just mention f1 because a large portion of the community still doesn't understand that f1 was his only good option in most cases.
But you know.... it's hard...you can't "spam" F1 all day long in neutral and don't give a shit about anything else.
Which attack is it?
Whoes in denial? Slips just listed mulitple reasons why he is good. Except he actually forgot to add a 6 frame meterless punish to that list as well as a top 5 NJP
Denial of f1 being a mid. Raiden is good. But being good doesn't mean a character couldn't use some help somewhere.
Help where? What does he need?
Can you not see that making F1 mid is just taking the easy way out and giving him a braindead option that he can abuse? Why does everyone that plays this game love to not use their brain? There's nothing wrong with being good but not mindless. Just fix his other mids and make his pokes more plus on hit to ail into his other strings like 21. Seriously, F1 is already 6 frames, should we Laos B3 6 frames or Tremors F1 a mid? No, because that would make those strings braindead, same concept.
Tbh, my position in this thread is rather 3rd party-ish and truthfully, I know little about him in comparison to other users here.
The only people that were picking Raiden (Besides Digit) were the people who were using him to win cause he was insanely stupid. Now that he's "normalized" they left and the only dedicated Raiden player I know is Digit.
Nivek still plays him. I don't main the character, but from what I understand, he has a lot of problems in the neutral game. His DP special has weird properties that often leave you extremely punishable as it lands you too far from your opponent for the second hit. His lightning strings are severely bad on both scaling and chip. I think I saw Nivek do a 31 hit combo on Tru3's stream that did 12% total. I may have missed the reset in there. Regardless, I can do similar corner combos with his lightning strings and hit 20%.
What's wrong with the neutral game? b32 takes up half the screen. His NJP is one of the best in the game. Superman is a good whiff punisher. d3 does it's job in being fast, safe, and quick recovering. He's got one of the fastest runs in the game. EX shocker still acts as a great reactionary 'catch all' in footsies. I'm not saying he's a footsie king but he's got everything you need.
