I think its blatently obvious that mkx sub is way better, so all this thread does is allow people to complain about mkx sub.
I think you are looking at it the wrong way. Look at what he trades to get that Clone. Let's compare him to say Scorpion, a well balanced character with very similar normals and speed. Iceball is pretty comparative to Chain, they both have a slide (although Sub's is definitely a bit better)... now lets look at the trade offs. No Teleport, no Flame Aura, no Run Cancels, no real projectile excluding Clone Toss, no Unlockable Hell Fire, much weaker combos.
Wait, so your opinion is that the new Ice Clone is UNARGUABLY better, because of two DIFFERENT specials that have interactions with it? That's got nothing to do with the Clone, on top of that, Clone Toss and the niche interaction that is Clone Shatter in no way make up for the safeness and reliability of MK9, and the fact that you can get Air clones. Saying "reliability" doesnt even do it justice, MK9's Clone is so much better than MK9's, thats why it's a "crappy Clone". The only sensible comparison is MK9's Clone to which it got worse, you can ARGUE otherwise, but to act like its so clean cut undebatable that it needed that retarded page swallowing gif is just you being an obnoxious twat.
What on earth does "overhead which can be read" mean? Literally any move can be read and punished.
it was online wasn't it? :16Bit
Maybe so, but some of us are actually talking about the topic. Whether we complain about MKX sub or not is irrelevant. The question was, which do you think is better, not what do you think of the sub zero forum.
How does that matter at all and how would that be anything other than pure speculation?
If you guys could have your little crying wank circles somewhere else that would fantastic. I wouldn't have an issue if it wasn't cluttering up the top pages constantly. I never specifically go on the subzero forums.
Because specifically clicking on sub zero threads on the top pages to shitpost about how you cant resist dropping in to to repeatedly parrot about "muh community", anytime you see somthing you dont like, is any different.
Not something i don't like. Something stupid. Its constantly 1-2 topics that have turned into a subzero community circle jerk on the top 5 page.
But this is our topic... in our forum... and you're the one dropping nuggets of nonsense.
I think maybe you've made your point, this stuff is fair enough in other unrelated threads, but when someone opens a poll, let him have it... it's actually an interesting topic, comparing the differences of the two most recent incarnations of SZ.
Because the butthurt ones arent the 2 guys who go out of their way to cry about the "top pages" in every sz thread.
habibi, did a sub-zero break your characters back and make you humble? this hatred for sub kommunity is hillarious.I shitpost shit that gets on to the top forum page thats utterly stupid. Which is about 95% subzero related stuff.
I'll stop when you guys do
Its got to the point where i think the whole sub community is elaborately trolling me by pretending to be retarded
I agree what im doing its stupid and annoying but sweet lord when will the sub community stop?But this is our topic... in our forum... and you're the one dropping nuggets of nonsense.
It doesn't really bother me Wigy but I'm just saying, these people are right when saying you are getting a reputation... I already know what you are going to post before you say it lol
I just checked your post history again, to see where it was going.
Over the last two weeks, 32 of your last 35 posts are now you saying something negative about Sub-Zero or it's players. 26 of those posts are in the Sub-Zero forums.
So you can't really complain about Sub-Zero players spamming up other people's threads bro it's basically ALL you've done to SZ for the last fortnight man.
Looks at air ice hammer... looks at ex clone.Just remember that all of MKX Sub's specials is actually usable...
*Looks at Ice Puddle*
Thank fucking god.
Tell me more about sub pls
Apparently everyone else is a moron. You just get better and better don't you?! And why are you here so much unless you enjoy watching. Go away.
TY man I appreciate it, but I think it's easy to think everyone else posting here is an idiot when you put yourself at odds with everyone. I don't like the stupid whiny balance posts about Sub-Zero anymore than you do (("Grandmaster needs buffs to compete!" "This must be made safe ASAP!!" etc)), even more so when they are completely off-topic, these posts and the responses to them drown out our real issues like bug fixes. But there is some quality posters in the SZ forum who actually just want to see their character's bugs fixed, and they don't spill their talk into other off-topic discussions, or even like it when other people do it. And when you come in and start talking all this jazz about the Sub-Zero community as a whole it immediately puts these people at odds against you, even the more sensible level-headed posters. Especially when it's to the people who are keeping it strictly to their own forum, or mentioning it only in threads where it's relevant, or making a thread relevant to it to keep their discussion inside of it and NOT flooding up the forums, there's got to be some respect here and you can't argue that SZ doesn't have issues, just that you don't want to hear about them anymore which is fair enough, but maybe keep the anti-SZ stuff to threads where people ARE just derailing threads and off-tracking other sub-categorys, and hell I'll be right beside you agreeing with you.
Last thing i'd say is, there is a constant stream of new threads like this one which are sub complaint threads (though most are just tom brady). Can't you have one thread and just keep it in there. Everybody is well aware of the bug fixes that need done, whining about it more does noooothig.
Those interactions count when you factor in that, until they get used, the clone is still doing what it's designed to do. And when they get used for those interactions, they provide utilities that you couldn't get out of MK9's clone. So yes, they do count, because they utilize the clone, still.
I didn't even complain about the clone in this thread, I was just stating my opinion on which version of sub I like better.
Yeah, it froze a lot longer, but in MKX, it doesn't need to. That also applies to regular freeze. Run makes it so that he's getting a combo usually, even from full screen. Your projectile or ranged option has to launch for him to only get a slide at best, and he gets that even more consistently due to run and how much better slide is. It's mainly the engine and his other tools that mitigates the EX freeze's property. Also, EX freeze froze for less than normal time on airborne opponents, which sometimes limited his ability to get combos if they were frozen too far away.
