Question - Sub-Zero Which Sub-Zero is Better

[RM Truth]

good players will always block low first and look for the oh but youre not wrong like

As I said, no one reacts to B2. That's a massive bill.

To clarify, most of the time it is probably getting fuzzied since the low is 9 or 10 frames(can't remember off the top of my head lol), and the oh is 17 frames. This can be solved by doing a delayed low to blow up your opponent for trying to fuzzy from low to oh.

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

Did you not watch ESL?

Also a character's popularity (or lack of) is not an indication of viability.

there was like 2 or 3 and they were all ok but if esl didnt exist i doubt we would have seen that many at a tournament

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

As I said, no one reacts to B2. That's a massive bill.

To clarify, most of the time it is probably getting fuzzied since the low is 9 or 10 frames(can't remember off the top of my head lol), and the oh is 17 frames. This can be solved by doing a delayed low to blow up your opponent for trying to fuzzy from low to oh.

if i delay too long i get njed or armoured or poked by kj or characters of that nature and b3 is 14 frames i think

 

[Sage Leviathan]

there was like 2 or 3 and they were all ok but if esl didnt exist i doubt we would have seen that many at a tournament

Madzin and Taco went bout-for-bout against some of the world's best. Strange, since they were just "ok."'

the low makes you waste a meter for 25 so its obvious which most will go for even though its hella - the low is os'able but -8 so still can be punished soooo vs females the corner game is very different and clone is broken

Nah, you're right, the character is shit.

 

[FoolishProphet]

Grandmaster is mk9 sub-zero on steroids,he lost his air clone but now the clone eats projectiles,as well as many other improvements.Not to mention his default costume is so badass....MKX Sub-Zero blows MK9 sub out the water.

 

[Sage-Of-Light]

there was like 2 or 3 and they were all ok but if esl didnt exist i doubt we would have seen that many at a tournament

the people who use sub-zero use him because they actually like the character sub-zero players are the loyalist of them all these other players switch and switch and switch lol no loyalty

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

Madzin and Taco went bout-for-bout against some of the world's best. Strange, since they were just "ok."'



Nah, you're right, the character is shit.

they did 123 slide and 112 hkd so yes they were 'ok' the guy who used f12 was pretty good

 

[XxTheGoblinX]

You can throw the clone. That beats Mk9s . And before all the nerfs sub was top 10

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

You can throw the clone. That beats Mk9s . And before all the nerfs sub was top 10

they key word being before

 

[Sage-Of-Light]

You can throw the clone. That beats Mk9s . And before all the nerfs sub was top 10

clone was better in mk 9, air clone and my personal fav was down 4 clone

 

[XxTheGoblinX]

they key word being before

Still viable. He was overpowered before. And if your saying Mk9 sub was better im not even gonna argue because this is common sense.

 

[XxTheGoblinX]

clone was better in mk 9, air clone and my personal fav was down 4 clone

The shatter and throw of the clone in mkx is way better. Your positive on block so you can add more pressure. You guys seriously think mk9 is better? Really??

 

[Phosferrax]

Mk9 clone in air and clone works correctly

and mkx is viable?

Jesus christ man, this is just awful.

You must be high as shit if you think MKX Sub isn't viable, get a grip man.

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

Still viable. He was overpowered before. And if your saying Mk9 sub was better im not even gonna argue because this is common sense.

his shit is buggy if it gets fixed mkx free but until then i stick with mk9 and he was not overpowered to the point where clone had to go away on block that was bullshit

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

Jesus christ man, this is just awful.

You must be high as shit if you think MKX Sub isn't viable, get a grip man.

he has a lot of bad matchups most of which are the more frequently seen characters so uwotm8?

 

[RM Truth]

if i delay too long i get njed or armoured or poked by kj or characters of that nature and b3 is 14 frames i think

If they start neutral jumping or trying to poke on wake-up it means that you can go back to doing your regularly timed 50/50 and they're just going to get hit for free. You're right. It is 14 frames which mean there is a 3 frame window to fuzzy. Kinda hard but still doable I think. My point still stands though. I haven't played anyone that consistently block B2 with no problems.

 

[Sage-Of-Light]

The shatter and throw of the clone in mkx is way better. Your positive on block so you can add more pressure. You guys seriously think mk9 is better? Really??

presure which only works well in the corner and when you do start a pressure with sub you would probably be at a disadvantage 79% of the time at midscreen

 

[Linkuei82]

The downplaying is real.

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

If they start neutral jumping or trying to poke on wake-up it means that you can go back to doing your regularly timed 50/50 and they're just going to get hit for free. You're right. It is 14 frames which mean there is a 3 frame window to fuzzy. Kinda hard but still doable I think. My point still stands though. I haven't played anyone that consistently block B2 with no problems.

Even kj qc and raiden? Bc if i read a njp i shatter, if i try it regularly timed ianjp will beat it but maybe im miss timing it

*edit* and yet again kjs d1 and raidens are quicker than 14 so shatter is prob the best option once again

 

[I GOT HANDS]

Which one places higher in the tiers for its respective game? Meh, probably MKX Sub, although he's low mid, still a lot better than MK9 Sub.

Which is a BETTER character however, in terms of playstyle and design? MK9 easily. He's a real character, all his abilities worked, and he wasn't what MKXSZ is, a character who relies on his above average normals and a workable 50/50 just to barely compete with his tiny ass damage output, and then a crappy Ice Clone tacked on top of it. MK9 Sub was built around using that Clone and it was a working tool. Predator's Trap is worse than SZ's MK9 Clone and it's still leagues better than MKX's, prompting a mass exodus to this character even from Tom Brady the most diehard SZ player ever.

Sorry, but I could justify playing SZ in MK9, it's not about being top tier, he played like Sub Zero. MKX version plays more like Blanka from Street Fighter at best

 

[RM Truth]

Even kj qc and raiden? Bc if i read a njp i shatter, if i try it regularly timed ianjp will beat it but maybe im miss timing it

If you're meatying the 50/50 they should have no frames to neutral jump against you. Sometimes if you're accounting for delayed wake up it can screw up your timing though.

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

Which one places higher in the tiers for its respective game? Meh, probably MKX Sub, although he's low mid, still a lot better than MK9 Sub.

Which is a BETTER character however, in terms of playstyle and design? MK9 easily. He's a real character, all his abilities worked, and he wasn't what MKXSZ is, a character who relies on his above average normals and a workable 50/50 just to barely compete with his tiny ass damage output, and then a crappy Ice Clone tacked on top of it. MK9 Sub was built around using that Clone and it was a working tool. Predator's Trap is worse than SZ's MK9 Clone and it's still leagues better than MKX's, prompting a mass exodus to this character even from Tom Brady the most diehard SZ player ever.

Sorry, but I could justify playing SZ in MK9, it's not about being top tier, he played like Sub Zero. MKX version plays more like Blanka from Street Fighter at best

This is what i wanted to say but was too lazy except for the blanka bit well done sir

 

[C88 Zombieekiler]

If you're meatying the 50/50 they should have no frames to neutral jump against you. Sometimes if you're accounting for delayed wake up it can screw up your timing though.

Na i respect wakeups too much bc ppl be waking up hella lol

 

[IrishMantis]

thats right thats why we see soooooooo many

Going by that logic Jax is also shit huh?

 

[RM Truth]

Na i respect wakeups too much bc ppl be waking up hella lol

Well these are the guesses that we have to make in fighting games. We can't all be Raiden and get guaranteed 50/50s for nothing.