Discussion What is actually wrong with MKXL

[hkriderz]

Quan chi cant do that anymore....

Wasn't there some new tech that @The_Tile and @STB Shujinkydink released that basically gave him back his safe vortex but slightly altered and does less damage?

 

[BoromiRofGeo]

Quan chi cant do that anymore....

im not going to argue semantics, you get the idea by this vid.

 

[Dayvon]

Safe, combo-starting 50/50s should never exist in any, FG PERIOD.

I agree with @YOMI REO on meter (and inherently, reversals) being given out like candy.

"Safe, combo-starting 50/50s " does this mean the first move in the string being a low / overhead, that is safe?

 

[SylverRye]

im not going to argue semantics, you get the idea by this vid.

I already know about this. Had a quan player try to do this to me, u can armor/backdash if he goes for the overhead iirc..or maybe the low, i dont remember, almost nobody picks him. Its stupid yes,but trying to use him as a counter argument over ermac makes no sense.

 

[Juggs]

The only armor I can think of that is safe and launches are Tremor Crystal shatter, Goro Punchwalk, F/T Lackey DP. Who else?

I could go through a list if you like, but I'd wager that there are more unsafe launchers in the game than safe ones, by a pretty wide margin.

There is a LOT of misinformation, exaggeration, and out and out lies that get pushed here as truth about the game.

I don't think there's anything elitist about being realistic and saying that you should play the game you have or shut up about it. (Not you, specifically)

If people's personal pet peeves about the game don't change with this patch, they'll have to deal with it. It's not like people don't know what the common complaints are. It's not like any new ground is actually being broken with these threads. It's the same dead horses beaten over and over and over and over again.

I didn't mention armored launchers or safe armored launchers though.

The rest I agree with.

 

[Undeadjim]

Without going on a rant (I do that enough on HMK) I will say it is silly to throw out the statement "This is how the game is, if you don't like it don't play" Yes, the game can have a design and an overall sway towards offensive and defensive play but this isn't an excuse anymore. As someone previously said were not in an age of this is how the game is shipped you better like it.

Criticizing the game and sharing opinions on it is crucial and with the communication possibilities we have between player and developer the more well research criticism the better. See @YOMI REO

So I encourage anyone that feels like posting their opinion of the games state to be as thorough as possible to avoid misinformation.

 

[Tweedy]

I'm sure people will just say "lol quit downplaying lol", but Tarkatan's EX rekkas are not really safe and require two bars to launch. Pretty insane to list alongside Goro's punch walk or Tremor's shatter.

 

[YoloRoll1stHit]

I'm sure people will just say "lol quit downplaying lol", but Tarkatan's EX rekkas are not really safe and require two bars to launch. Pretty insane to list alongside Goro's punch walk or Tremor's shatter.

Well if they have Tarkatan in that list they should add Johnny Cage and Reptile. Their armored launchers are plus on block

 

[The_Tile]

I already know about this. Had a quan player try to do this to me, u can armor/backdash if he goes for the overhead iirc..or maybe the low, i dont remember, almost nobody picks him. Its stupid yes,but trying to use him as a counter argument over ermac makes no sense.

You actually can't armor or backdash if you execute it correctly. You get enough hit advantage to combo a S4 or D3 which jails into a 50/50. @STB Shujinkydink is just too scrubby to hit it

 

[neveradestroyer]

I'm sure people will just say "lol quit downplaying lol", but Tarkatan's EX rekkas are not really safe and require two bars to launch. Pretty insane to list alongside Goro's punch walk or Tremor's shatter.

Meanwhile there's broken Unbreakable with his -45 parry. Top tier players problems LMAO.

 

[Rude]

I'm sure people will just say "lol quit downplaying lol", but Tarkatan's EX rekkas are not really safe and require two bars to launch. Pretty insane to list alongside Goro's punch walk or Tremor's shatter.

Yeah, I never really consider Rekkas among the "safe, armored launcher" list simply because there are too many asterisks you have to put beside it. "It's safe but...." kind of thing.

I don't think Rekkas are the same as Shatter or Lackey's launcher.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Meanwile there's broken Unbreakable with his -45 parry. Top tier players problems LMAO.

To be fair, parry should be very unsafe by its self, but it should also recover instantly vs projectiles.

 

[Spooky Deadeye]

The only thing wrong with MkXL? People. (Not counting us)

 

[UGL Preon]

The fact that this game has a lot of things that are blatantly over powered and that has somehow turned everyone with an opinion into Video Game design experts from the school of Hard Knockdowns.

 

[KingHippo]

Yeah but you're missing:
- Ridiculous hitbox in his air normals, that he can cancel into that green explosion thing, plus he can combo off of it and jks with teleport.
- Ridiculous hitbox in his pokes (he can d4 Goro's stomp). He can jump at you for free but you can never jump on him.
- A 6f poke that he can cancel, adding more mind games into the poking game.
- Able to whiff punish with push/teleport.
- Able to trade with projectiles and get 36%+. That's right, if he trades the push with a projectile, he'll be able to get off the ground, teleport and do a full combo on you while you're floating away.
- Teleport makes him hard to zone.
- His pressure is neutral and he always has the upper hand with the poke.
- Long range fast overhead.
- Good safe zoning.

You're conveniently ignoring everything that actually makes him better than the 20 characters below him lol have you even played a good Ermac?

I didn't conveniently ignore anything, I never said he wasn't a great character. I'm saying that the barometer for what the community considers "fair" is shallow and changes on a dime. Even if Ermac was the best with what he has now - so fucking what? His guessing game is largely unsafe, and the safest options are fairly low reward, with a little bit of bs sprinkled in. Hellllooooooo acceptable top tier.

Like I look at that list, and down pokes, neutral strings, anti air, and whiff punishing are now qualifications for being "above balance" (I realize Tweedy said that, not you). What's happened to where those became too good? I realize that there are some things he has that are really good (ex push, trading and comboing), but if he was top tier, wouldn't that just be annoying top tier things? I don't get it.

If that's the case, then what's "fair"? Everyone is disadvantage after a string and they can't change their air mobility? Ridiculous.

 

[Cossner]

I didn't conveniently ignore anything, I never said he wasn't a great character. I'm saying that the barometer for what the community considers "fair" is shallow and changes on a dime. Even if Ermac was the best with what he has now - so fucking what? His guessing game is largely unsafe, and the safest options are fairly low reward, with a little bit of bs sprinkled in. Hellllooooooo acceptable top tier.

Like I look at that list, and down pokes, neutral strings, anti air, and whiff punishing are now qualifications for being "above balance" (I realize Tweedy said that, not you). What's happened to where those became too good? I realize that there are some things he has that are really good (ex push, trading and comboing), but if he was top tier, wouldn't that just be annoying top tier things? I don't get it.

If that's the case, then what's "fair"? Everyone is disadvantage after a string and they can't change their air mobility? Ridiculous.

Everyone should have strengths and weaknesses. You're saying that the character is fair because he can do everything characters SHOULD be able to do, but the problem is in the context of the game it doesn't work like that. He can keep the armor and the 50/50s and what not, but why does he need to have every tool as well? "So fucking what" is why do I have to take risks left and right when he can just play a strong fundamental game and beat everyone? Why can't every character do that as well?

And LBSH TYM is not the community and it's not where high level gameplay gets discussed at all.

You know what's fair? If you have poor mobility, have great air normals. If you don't have ridiculous pressure, have decent ways to get out of it. If you take huge risks, get huge rewards, if you take low risks, get low rewards. No range? Then be fast. Long range, then be slow. It's basic game design. Why is it ok to you that he has everything while other characters do not?

 

[Invincible Salads]

theres nothing wrong with the armor in this game, don't have a problem with it what soever.

 

[Bruno-NeoSpace]

I look at this:

theres nothing wrong with the armor in this game, don't have a problem with it what soever.

Then I look that you play Unstoppable Jason...

 

[Invincible Salads]

I look at this:



Then I look that you play Unstoppable Jason...

i also play summoner quan and smoke, your point?

 

[Bruno-NeoSpace]

i also play summoner quan and smoke, your point?

Same REO's point

 

[Invincible Salads]

Same REO's point

either way,pretty sure their not gonna go and remove 95% of the armor from this game.

if they implemented half the changes you guys are suggesting i'd probably stop playing. lol

 

[SylverRye]

im not going to argue semantics, you get the idea by this vid.

Quans overhead got removed in the patch. Literally no point playing this until tuesday lol

 

[THTB]

Well if they have Tarkatan in that list they should add Johnny Cage and Reptile. Their armored launchers are plus on block

Bruh wut

 

[YoloRoll1stHit]

Bruh wut

Xray bro. Tarkatan players say they need 2 bars to launch, you can say you need 3 bars to launch

 

[Kenshi-Keanu-Kool]

Stupid lightning fast overheads like reptile , F1 Erron black , ermacs f4 , and so on.....