[Tier List] Pig of The Hut Official Living Tier List

[coolwhip]

This game is turning us more and more into variation loyalists.
If this continues, there won't be much of a reason to play other variations aside from the strongest variations each characters offers, which kinda bills the real intention of the soft counter intended for this game with the variation changes.

Hellfire is low risk high reward, if you can make everything safe while you pressure, you have 50-50, mixups, damage, meter building, pace control, air game, Can hit confirm without much of commitment, why would you play ninjutsu and inferno?
Ninjutsu was supposed to be about the threat of the ranges, but that ain't scary at all considering the crap damage it does added with the damage protection they bulked inside that move to scale the rest of your combo, besides the risk is still on scorpion side since B2 is punishable on block, more so on whiff, by anyone that can input a damn reversal launcher or have an reaching normal will punish that for twices the damage you would get for trying to punish that mistake.

Why would i want to play trap raiden or displacer if Thunder God has all the good juice? Thunder God can break armor, and if you block he can build meter, Why would i want to trade that with a teleport that takes forever to recovery if you don't use meter?

We're all like: "Loses using Jax, Picks Ding Dong Cassie, Loses using Master of Souls Ermac, Picks Erron Black, loses using Scorpion, Picks Thunder God Raiden"

And then you look at kenshi and be like "Lol"
Look at Hatrick "lol"
Look at Shinnok "Lol"
Kitana "Lol"

- "WHY ARE YOU PLAYING THAT CRAP, STOP BEING A CHARACTER LOYALIST AND PICK THE BETTER VAR DAMN IT" - @coolwhip <3


Since we're talking about tier list, this is what i think based on the strongest vars

top 5 - Raiden, D'vorah, Quan Chi, Sonya, Kung Jin
6-10 - Cassie, Scorpion, Sub-Zero, Kotal, Erron
Close but not quite 10: Jax, Lao, Ermac, Mileena, Johnny*, F/T, Kano*
Lol: Rest

You can't equate a bad character with a bad variation. It's OK for a character as good as Scorpion to have a flawed variation because the other two are good (Hellfire is flat out ridiculous).

And while I still think Lao is a touch overrated, buzz-saw and tempest are obviously viable enough variations to where even if Hat Trick isn't that good, it shouldn't be anywhere near the priority list of characters/variations to re-examine.

Would it be cool if every variation for every character was great? Sure. Was that ever realistic? Not really.

Kitana and Kenshi have problems as characters, across all variations. It's not the same as Ninjutsu or hat trick. That was my whole point in that Scorpion thread. I'm all for character loyalty, and that's the beauty of the variation system. If you want to play Scorpion and one variation isn't good, just pick the other.

 

[Eddy Wang]

You can't equate a bad character with a bad variation. It's OK for a character as good as Scorpion to have a flawed variation because the other two are good (Hellfire is flat out ridiculous).

And while I still think Lao is a touch overrated, buzz-saw and tempest are obviously viable enough variations to where even if Hat Trick isn't that good, it shouldn't be anywhere near the priority list of characters/variations to re-examine.

Would it be cool if every variation for every character was great? Sure. Was that ever realistic? Not really.

Kitana and Kenshi have problems as characters, across all variations. It's not the same as Ninjutsu or hat trick. That was my whole point in that Scorpion thread. I'm all for character loyalty, and that's the beauty of the variation system. If you want to play Scorpion and one variation isn't good, just pick the other.

I never knew that we have a priority list now lol, but i get your point.
My honest opinion, anything that is bad should be addressed, its up to NRS to prioritize what they think it can be dealed with now or later, no variation in this game should be totally bad IMO, i get the feeling that not every stronger var is tipically the playstyle of what everybody wants to play.

Lets just hope the Tanya's update comes along with some good things

 

[silva_777]

Te only thing good the tanya update can bring bring is no chances at all

 

[Phosferrax]

WHY are people sleeping on Jax?

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

WHY are people sleeping on Jax?

I'm not

 

[Karnage]

its all about the flame fist.

 

[Eddy Wang]

WHY are people sleeping on Jax?

Jax is as good as Scorpion if not better, i think ppl need to see more of him, but he has some good buttons.


Question? Why is no one looking at Johnny Cage?

 

[JTB123]

Jax is as good as Scorpion if not better, i think ppl need to see more of him, but he has some good buttons.


Question? Why is no one looking at Johnny Cage?

I'd say Jax is better than Scorp, they are quite different characters but overall I think Jax is better equipped.

 

[just_2swift]

I think kung lao is good, but he is probably outside top 10. He is in the top 10 conversation but it is more likely that he is outside of the top 10. Kung jin, raiden, quan chi, scorpion, dvorah, jax, cassie, subzero are all better Imo.

#BRUH..... Why you down playing son

 

[Dirtylova]

LOL poor sheep

 

[Big Pampering]

#BRUH..... Why you down playing son

U tell me.

 

[Phosferrax]

Jax is as good as Scorpion if not better, i think ppl need to see more of him, but he has some good buttons.


Question? Why is no one looking at Johnny Cage?

Because some fools have been spreading propaganda that he is bad.

 

[The Stone Monkey]

cmon that's not a tier list. placed majority of the cast in one category

 

[Eddy Wang]

cmon that's not a tier list. placed majority of the cast in one category

In Pig's defence, its not like its a community tier list, he just shared his current opinion on what he thinks the strongest characters are now on his head, its his own opinion, everyone just went along and shared their own opinion as well.

We know is way earlier to talk about tiers in general, but i doubt no player in his right sense since the game came out weren't putting something like it together for a while, i think it becomed pretty obvious at some point of the game were it was all Kung Jins and Sub-Zeros

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

cmon that's not a tier list. placed majority of the cast in one category

It's in order

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

You can't equate a bad character with a bad variation. It's OK for a character as good as Scorpion to have a flawed variation because the other two are good (Hellfire is flat out ridiculous).

And while I still think Lao is a touch overrated, buzz-saw and tempest are obviously viable enough variations to where even if Hat Trick isn't that good, it shouldn't be anywhere near the priority list of characters/variations to re-examine.

Would it be cool if every variation for every character was great? Sure. Was that ever realistic? Not really.

Kitana and Kenshi have problems as characters, across all variations. It's not the same as Ninjutsu or hat trick. That was my whole point in that Scorpion thread. I'm all for character loyalty, and that's the beauty of the variation system. If you want to play Scorpion and one variation isn't good, just pick the other.

Lao isnt overrated, Americans think he's a shitter, Euros think he's alright.

But yet he's won 7 tournaments in 5 weeks
Personally I think Lao > Scorpion AND Sub Zero though...

But it's still early days aint it.

 

[Jimmypotato]

WHY are people sleeping on Jax?

Carl Weathers will change that.

 

[The Stone Monkey]

It's in order

ah my bad

 

[xInfra Deadx]

Shit man if we're just all going to post our tier lists here's mine. I think people have the wrong idea about a lot of characters so some of these may be surprising:

Top tier:
Cassie Cage
Dvorah
Erron Black
Ermac
Ferra Torr

High mid tier:
Goro
Jacqui(seriously being slept on)
Jason
Jax
Johnny Cage(Also being slept on)

Mid tier:
Kano
Kenshi
Kitana
Kotal Khan
Kung Jin(hella overrated)

Low mid tier:
Liu Kang(Overrated)
Mileena(underrated)
Quan
Raiden(People just don't know how to fight him yet)
Reptile

Low tier:
Scorpion(Eddy was right)
Shinnok
Sonya
Subby
Takeda

Edit: If you have any questions feel free to ask

Clayman pls.

 

[Rude]

He can be in a good spot...but that doesn't make him top 10. I said I'll place him in top 15.

And also a whine would be a displeased opinion on something. I said no complaints on liu

You got to come harder thn that my guy.

"I got cupcakes"...lol

"My Character might be top fifteen but is all gimmicks and people that lose to him are bad."

What a bill.

 

[Rude]

Marksman

What is wrong with Marksman?

 

[Rude]

WHY are people sleeping on Jax?

Jax is ridiculous. I've known it ever since playing @The Slaj Jazz

 

[TakeAChance]

Can I ask why everyone thinks mileena is great now? According to most here over the past few weeks she was "terrible". What changed all of your minds?

 

[learis1]

I can't believe how high Mileena is. I would have put her in the bottom 5. Her overhead is too slow at a high level to be useful at all, so she has no real mixups and is extremely unsafe.

 

[TakeAChance]

I can't believe how high Mileena is. I would have put her in the bottom 5. Her overhead is too slow at a high level to be useful at all, so she has no real mixups and is extremely unsafe.

Ex roll is an overhead. That's her "real" overhead.

No mix ups?

21 or 2 ex roll is a straight up guess.

214 or 21 low Sai is a straight guess

F12b4 or f12ex roll is a straight guess.

B21 or b2exroll is a straight guess.

After any telekick on hit, f4 and ex ball roll is a guess.

After any hard knock down she gets the f12 mixup.

The character literally has TONS of mixup a.