[Tier List] Pig of The Hut Official Living Tier List

[lionheart21]

Marksman

Actually, I meant that for the entire cast.

 

[MK Led]

Do you think one could argue lackey is his best variation? Just curious it seems like one could argue vicious just as easily just curious what everyone else thinks

After now having played both equally, I'd definitely say vicious and lackey are just as good as each other, just in different ways. Couldn't comment on ruthless though I can only see myself picking them up if vicious has their damage dragged down even further, which I can't see happening, haha.

 

[TAS_DASH]

I know I'm going to get a lot of flack for this.
Number 1: I somewhat agree with several posters, "A variations tier list would be better"
Number 2: I disagree with a lot of "the rest" section, but I think everyone does and everyone is entitled to their opinion. BTW KJ is still top 5
Number 3: This is the one that will rattle some people. I think moving forward for a better, smarter, more competitive game and experience, the top 10 need to be nerfed instead of the rest getting buffed. I think this will make the game closer to the skill level and respectability of Street Fighter. I'm not saying it will get there, but much closer.

I believe that matches between the rest are way more exciting and their are match ups that favor some over the others. I also think that for the most part matches between "the rest" are a realistic goal even if the match up is favorable. "The rest" have enough flaws to be exploited and even though some of the rest can give the top 10 problems, the top 10 are never at a huge disadvantage. Also remember, nerfing a character is actually a buff for another. Finally, I believe it will be easier to balance all variations if this happens. Then the really bad variations would not need a complete overhaul.

Also variations should be switched as used for different match ups. Currently some characters have completely worthless variations or 1 variation that is so much better than the rest, so it is pointless to use the others. It would be amazing to see people switching variations like SFIV ultras, depending on the match up

 

[Peckapowa]

I know I'm going to get a lot of flack for this.
Number 1: I somewhat agree with several posters, "A variations tier list would be better"
Number 2: I disagree with a lot of "the rest" section, but I think everyone does and everyone is entitled to their opinion. BTW KJ is still top 5
Number 3: This is the one that will rattle some people. I think moving forward for a better, smarter, more competitive game and experience, the top 10 need to be nerfed instead of the rest getting buffed. I think this will make the game closer to the skill level and respectability of Street Fighter. I'm not saying it will get there, but much closer.

I believe that matches between the rest are way more exciting and their are match ups that favor some over the others. I also think that for the most part matches between "the rest" are a realistic goal even if the match up is favorable. "The rest" have enough flaws to be exploited and even though some of the rest can give the top 10 problems, the top 10 are never at a huge disadvantage. Also remember, nerfing a character is actually a buff for another. Finally, I believe it will be easier to balance all variations if this happens. Then the really bad variations would not need a complete overhaul.

I'm a huge nerfing proponent. But there's about 70% of this game I would have designed differently in the first place.

 

[TAS_DASH]

I'm a huge nerfing proponent. But there's about 70% of this game I would have designed differently in the first place.

I 100% agree. When you hear the amount of detail going into SFV. Every normal being treated damn near like a special move to have a purpose for options and what not. PS I'm not a SF fanboy, but I appreciate the level of detail that they are putting into every single normal. It's crazy!!!

In this game it seems like they were like "well, it'd be cool if this character could do this, and then this, and then this after that."
"Well, what about balance?"
"We'll just adjust frame numbers"

We all know that does not work.. Japanese fighting games are like an art to the developers. Again, I'm not knocking NRS' hustle, but they really aren't looking to make the best fighting game first. They are looking to get as much money as possible, meaning let's get as many casual players as we can.

 

[Paul the Octopus]

I don't know, but the way you said



The vehement disagreement for beginners suggests that you feel he is at the bottom of the cast, and the whole post reads like you are complaining about him being underpowered / whinging.



You definitely can be in a good spot, without being in the top 10. But you tell me which one you were complaining about. You can backpedal all you like, but it's pretty clear you weren't saying "Liu is in a good spot"in any way shape or form lol

All of your comments are bad. You are way to eager to shut down anyone saying their character is weak and/or has holes. Sometimes these comments are valid.

Someone has to be at the bottom of the tier list. Who is worse than Kenshi? I don't think Pig is saying that he's unusable and all of his games are automatic losses, he is just saying that Kenshi is the worst of all the characters. I think this is true. If you disagree, say which characters you think are worse.

Liu Kang also obviously has holes. He has one soft knockdown, unsafe overhead that doesn't launch and does miniscule damage. So all you need to do through all his pressure is block low. He'll build some meter, but so what? That can't compete with the strengths the stronger characters have. He IS gimmicky - I think that's clear to anyone that understands the character. Again, that doesn't mean he's unusable, just that he's weaker than a lot of other characters. Sometimes negative comments are valid, and I don't think people in this particular thread are being unreasonable at all.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

And yours are much worse.

So there.

 

[Juggs]

I agree with this. I think Kano, Reptile, Kung Lao, and Liu Kang are up there as well.

Also, Shinnok will be fine if Necromancer gets fixed and buffed.

 

[Gangsta Crizzab]

My tier list:

S-Tier

Raiden
Quan Chi
Kung Jin
Sonya Blade
Sub Zero
D'Vorah
Cassie Cage

A-Tier

Jax
Erron Black
Scorpion
Kung Lao
Ermac

B-Tier

Liu Kang
Kano
Johnny Cage
Kotal Kahn
Ferra/Torr
Shinnok
Reptile

C Tier

Jason
Mileena
Jacqui Briggs
Kitana
Goro
Kenshi

 

[KillaGthug4Life]

I would switch Jax and Cassie with Sonya and Scorpion, but other than that this looks like a pretty descent sketch

 

[qspec]

I agree with this. I think Kano, Reptile, Kung Lao, and Liu Kang are up there as well.

Also, Shinnok will be fine if Necromancer gets fixed and buffed.

Yeah reptile keeps getting placed at mid/lower-mid tier, and I cannot for the life of me figure out why. His buttons are strong... hell, they are very strong even.

He is lacking damage output, and damage output only, but he's got the buttons to more than compensate.

I'd really like to hear people's actual opinions on his position because where I'm standing, he's pretty damn decent.

 

[Zoidberg747]

Shit man if we're just all going to post our tier lists here's mine. I think people have the wrong idea about a lot of characters so some of these may be surprising:

Top tier:
Cassie Cage
Dvorah
Erron Black
Ermac
Ferra Torr

High mid tier:
Goro
Jacqui(seriously being slept on)
Jason
Jax
Johnny Cage(Also being slept on)

Mid tier:
Kano
Kenshi
Kitana
Kotal Khan
Kung Jin(hella overrated)

Low mid tier:
Liu Kang(Overrated)
Mileena(underrated)
Quan
Raiden(People just don't know how to fight him yet)
Reptile

Low tier:
Scorpion(Eddy was right)
Shinnok
Sonya
Subby
Takeda

Edit: If you have any questions feel free to ask

 

[CJKRattlehead]

@Zoidberg747 I gotta hear an elaboration on why you think Raiden is low mid cause that just baffles me and I'm a downplaying Raiden main.

EDIT: also kano below jason? gotta hear the rational for that too.

 

[d'fly]

I 100% agree. When you hear the amount of detail going into SFV. Every normal being treated damn near like a special move to have a purpose for options and what not. PS I'm not a SF fanboy, but I appreciate the level of detail that they are putting into every single normal. It's crazy!!!

In this game it seems like they were like "well, it'd be cool if this character could do this, and then this, and then this after that."
"Well, what about balance?"
"We'll just adjust frame numbers"

We all know that does not work.. Japanese fighting games are like an art to the developers. Again, I'm not knocking NRS' hustle, but they really aren't looking to make the best fighting game first. They are looking to get as much money as possible, meaning let's get as many casual players as we can.

Mkx is a good game but this^^^
Money comes before quality. A perfect example was mk9 player 1 winning all possible trades. NRS didn't even bother to put trades in the game, because they didn't care to. Granted they fixed this in injustice and mkx(because they knew they had to to have any kind of respectability in the tourney scene) but this kind of disregard for something so integral to fair competitive play really tells u all u need to know. God that sounded harsh because I really am enjoying mkx but it's the truth.

 

[STRYKIE]

Shit man if we're just all going to post our tier lists here's mine. I think people have the wrong idea about a lot of characters so some of these may be surprising:

Top tier:
Cassie Cage
Dvorah
Erron Black
Ermac
Ferra Torr

High mid tier:
Goro
Jacqui(seriously being slept on)
Jason
Jax
Johnny Cage(Also being slept on)

Mid tier:
Kano
Kenshi
Kitana
Kotal Khan
Kung Jin(hella overrated)

Low mid tier:
Liu Kang(Overrated)
Mileena(underrated)
Quan
Raiden(People just don't know how to fight him yet)
Reptile

Low tier:
Scorpion(Eddy was right)
Shinnok
Sonya
Subby
Takeda

Edit: If you have any questions feel free to ask

@Zoidberg747 I gotta hear an elaboration on why you think Raiden is low mid cause that just baffles me and I'm a downplaying Raiden main.

EDIT: also kano below jason? gotta hear the rational for that too.

Spoiler

His tier list is in alphabetical order, lol.

 

[@MylesWright_]

Leave D'Vorah alone

 

[Pterodactyl]

The Rest: Ermac, Ferra Tor, Mileena, Kung Lao*, Shinnok, Jacquie, Reptile, Kano, Johnny Cage, Liu Kang*,
Goro*, Takeda, Kotal Khan, Kitana, Kenshi

Yup bottom 10, yup, complete garbage, the both of them, yup.

Yup.

 

[Shaundonn]

Scorpion is so dam annoying. Maybe I should shut up. Sonya and all.

I main sonya as well, but she Isn't a top 3 character, atleast imo. Look at all the characters around her on this list. They all have either insane tools to reset you over and over again, especially in the corner or cancelable specials to make them safe the majority of the time. Raiden, Scorpion, Devorah, Jin, and Quan are all better. She's on par if not below erron, lao, ermac, and jaxs. Atleast from my perspective, the only thing really good about her is all of her varations are very viable, few characters can say that. The two starters i see and use the most (B1,4) is amazing for how fast and far reaching it is but is -15 Nothing amazing. B3, 3, 2 is better a -5 but you got to right in their face for the shin snap to connect.

 

[Ray'sGoodLiquor]

Yay, a tier list. Well, this game was fun while it lasted. Prepare for the floodgates to come crashing down.

 

[Peckapowa]

Kano got normalized

 

[Peckapowa]

Shit man if we're just all going to post our tier lists here's mine. I think people have the wrong idea about a lot of characters so some of these may be surprising:

Top tier:
Cassie Cage
Dvorah
Erron Black
Ermac
Ferra Torr

High mid tier:
Goro
Jacqui(seriously being slept on)
Jason
Jax
Johnny Cage(Also being slept on)

Mid tier:
Kano
Kenshi
Kitana
Kotal Khan
Kung Jin(hella overrated)

Low mid tier:
Liu Kang(Overrated)
Mileena(underrated)
Quan
Raiden(People just don't know how to fight him yet)
Reptile

Low tier:
Scorpion(Eddy was right)
Shinnok
Sonya
Subby
Takeda

Edit: If you have any questions feel free to ask

you must wear a fedora collared shirts and thick shaded glasses it's the only logical explanation


I mean you literally put jason above raiden sub zero and cpt. Block infinite I mean scorpion.

I mean we are talking about jason here.


Jason SUCKS.

- bawl its alphabetical order I should have known no one is this dumb I won't edit I accept defeat.

 

[JTB123]

That's not true

Sorry evil eddy wang has convinced some scorpion has issues

I was mainly referring to the point that I feel Scorpion gives Kenshi a lot of trouble, I feel a top 5 at this point in the game is too early to call but I think there are at least 5 characters better than Scorpion in the game right now. Jax, Quan, D'Vorah, Raiden, Erron for starters I think are all better equipped than Scorpion.

Scorpion doesn't have any serious issues imo, he has things that could be better but he doesn't lack anything really. That is not usually enough to make a character top 5. In order to be that powerful a character needs several tools which are devastating for the rest of the cast to deal with.

Scorpion is top 10 material in my opinion, just not top 5.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I was mainly referring to the point that I feel Scorpion gives Kenshi a lot of trouble, I feel a top 5 at this point in the game is too early to call but I think there are at least 5 characters better than Scorpion in the game right now. Jax, Quan, D'Vorah, Raiden, Erron for starters I think are all better equipped than Scorpion.

Scorpion doesn't have any serious issues imo, he has things that could be better but he doesn't lack anything really. That is not usually enough to make a character top 5. In order to be that powerful a character needs several tools which are devastating for the rest of the cast to deal with.

Scorpion is top 10 material in my opinion, just not top 5.

Everyone has a right to their opinion

 

[CJKRattlehead]

Spoiler

His tier list is in alphabetical order, lol.

Cassie ermac and erron being at the top seemed like a possible legit teir list lol well played @Zoidberg747

 

[Eddy Wang]

This game is turning us more and more into variation loyalists.
If this continues, there won't be much of a reason to play other variations aside from the strongest variations each characters offers, which kinda bills the real intention of the soft counter intended for this game with the variation changes.

Hellfire is low risk high reward, if you can make everything safe while you pressure, you have 50-50, mixups, damage, meter building, pace control, air game, Can hit confirm without much of commitment, why would you play ninjutsu and inferno?
Ninjutsu was supposed to be about the threat of the ranges, but that ain't scary at all considering the crap damage it does added with the damage protection they bulked inside that move to scale the rest of your combo, besides the risk is still on scorpion side since B2 is punishable on block, more so on whiff, by anyone that can input a damn reversal launcher or have an reaching normal will punish that for twices the damage you would get for trying to punish that mistake.

Why would i want to play trap raiden or displacer if Thunder God has all the good juice? Thunder God can break armor, and if you block he can build meter, Why would i want to trade that with a teleport that takes forever to recovery if you don't use meter?

We're all like: "Loses using Jax, Picks Ding Dong Cassie, Loses using Master of Souls Ermac, Picks Erron Black, loses using Scorpion, Picks Thunder God Raiden"

And then you look at kenshi and be like "Lol"
Look at Hatrick "lol"
Look at Shinnok "Lol"
Kitana "Lol"

- "WHY ARE YOU PLAYING THAT CRAP, STOP BEING A CHARACTER LOYALIST AND PICK THE BETTER VAR DAMN IT" - @coolwhip <3


Since we're talking about tier list, this is what i think based on the strongest vars

top 5 - Raiden, D'vorah, Quan Chi, Sonya, Kung Jin
6-10 - Cassie, Scorpion, Sub-Zero, Kotal, Erron
Close but not quite 10: Jax, Lao, Ermac, Mileena, Johnny*, F/T, Kano*
Lol: Rest