Yeah, man. These guys worried about his tools and shit.
Idk man. I didn't like MKx and I definitely called how stupid Alien was. So people who liked MKx must've seen it.
Ryu or Nash would be a better example. Idk if anyone was out for Dhalsim blood like that. People might have thought he was better than he acruelly was but IDK about nerfs.
Nerfing his 50/50s is the most reasonable suggestion because it would make his gameplay be comparable with the other zoners. You're right there are other ways to nerf him but this way would be the most agreeable by the general public. I personally feel that meter burn roll should come out faster for a lot more characters and characters who are mainly zoners should have slower recovering forward dashes to make their meter burn rolls come out slower (dead shot has one of the best meterburn rolls) but I understand that this would be hard to agree upon. It does not take that much time to realize that deadshot's zoning gameplan doesn't really match up with the rest of the games logic and so I don't see the point in waiting unless you just want to take advantage of it.
I don't play deadshot though. I just don't want them to start changing the game before things are more thoroughly explored. I never mentioned other ways to nerf him or nerfs at all. If anything I've only mentioned buffing weaker characters but it's still too early.
I don't think Fate does well against Deadshot. He's got nothing to contest Deadshot's projectile speed, no chance you're getting out an orb period, get in where I feel Deadshot is better up close, or maybe land a push and send him full screen again where you get outzoned. Is there something I should be exploiting?
how much damage does deadshot high shot do? or bounce shot.
Nah they weren't crying as bad as the babies here are about Dhalsim, but they definitely were on the top 3 bandwagon for quite a while. Had players wrecking with him early on like "wow so OP" but then time happened. I forgot all about Ryu though, that actually is a better example further proving my point here.
I'll try to initiate a trade war more often, good tip. I just don't see it happening unless it's literally full screen.
Is it being punished on startup like that canary vid. BTW, do other wakeups get beat by a meaty? I ask because that raises the question if it's "working as intended".
they couldn't handle it, besides Jin vs Jin was the only even MU in that game and the only one able to cancel out JFLS since Jin had a parry since then.
Public outcry absolutely has an effect on game patches, it's not the only deciding factor but you're crazy if you think that it's not on people's radar, they're game designers but they're also a business, keeping the masses happy definitely comes into play at some level(this doesn't just go for NRS games or even just fighting games in general).
When I've played solid players, the jump and whiff punish for full combo is too real to the point where I was nervous to WU. Ducky punished almost every one of my WUs.That doesn't sound as godlike as some make it out to be. Since it's a short forward lunge you can also full combo punish with S1 if you aren't directly on top of him when the invincibility frames are gone. With the meaty's though I still haven't figured that out on who is punishable how, but it seems like almost all WUs are full punishable one way or another with very few exceptions, Deadshot not being the exception.
not to get too sidetracked, but ryu was definitely not top 1, but he was also well above upper mid tier. He was very arguably a top 5 character.that being said he did receive way too many nerfs because people were dumb.
Haha yea I think Yoshimitsu (of all people) was the only other 5-5 for Jin. Then you had Steve and Nina in a tier of their own right behind Jin, with Lee almost there. Jin beat like 5-6 characters 8-2, the rest 7-3, and a few 6-4 LOLOL!!! Through all of that you didn't hear complaining even close to this, and it was hype when you beat a Jin or a Steve. First hand my most memorable fighting game moment ever was beating Justin Wong's Jin in tournament at ChinaTown Fair and yelling at him to go back to Marvel vs Capcom 2 lol. Some epic pop offs.
I don't necessarily think the argument that bad balance can equal hype moments is a good one, it's true but it's not a great argument to champion. Jin was busted, and in today's competitive scene would be patched into either normalcy or oblivion(justifiably). If you wanna have purposefully bad characters you can, but I don't think having purposefully op characters is a thing you can do.
I never said no company looks at public outcry. But it's nowhere a deciding factor or else that company might as well be deemed incompetent. If a ton of my player base is complaining about a character sure I'll look over that character. But just hearing complaints shouldn't make me or any Dev actually change a character.
They will pick lord akumer to get back in the game... shit we're derailing this thread hard, lets continue this in the Tekken forum.
Nah that's not what I meant. Obviously T4 Jin was better than anyone this community has ever seen, by far actually.
