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The New Top Tiers [POST EVO-PATCH]

LawAbidingCitizen

Bomb Setups & Ball Rolls(Mileena/Cyrax)
shangs bnbs now doing 20-21%. What a fucking dumb change. Sent him straight to the trash imo.
I don't like the Shang Tsung change either but its was a 4-6% damage reduction on combos.
He does 24% on F24(1000 HP characters), 26% on 114 combos (1000hp) and 28% on 3U2 combos (1000 HP) and 35-40+% on KB.


Most characters are getting sub 30% now, many of his bad matchups received dmg nerfs and general nerfs.

I think he is fine just needs another conversion.
It dropped him a bit for sure but he is still good Close, Footsie and Zoning ranges.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Sonic Fox believes Cassie is no longer top 5 because she is no longer as safe as she used to be. I also think the nerf on EX up glow is massive.
Gotcha, that makes sense. I’ll have to see more of her to really say for certain. Haven’t ran into too many Cassies since the patch.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
From my experience in KL post patch I think Kollector and Kano are much, much, much better. Kollector I can understand giving many buffs though. Kitana is better but I wouldn't say she's top tier good like Kollector, Kano and D'vorah got a lot better and Shao Kahn. IMO they're the winners of this patch easily. Liu Kang I believe is the new Scorpion now, his F3/F4 tweaks aren't enough to make him lower if that much lower(and I'm also a LK player myself) I'm glad his Wu Shi got some buffs though, literally the only variation for a character I use that got good buffs compared to everyone else I use variation.

Scorpion is so much easier, but still annoying just not stupid anymore. I feel like he's actually normal now but people still run to him as a safety net. Not as many EB players since the patch but you know what I don't mind.

I've noticed they seemed to have tweaked easier throws after a blocked JK on block, with increased pushback and easier to punish however the whole "who can poke into throws first" element is still there.
 

haketh

Champion
Sonic Fox believes Cassie is no longer top 5 because she is no longer as safe as she used to be. I also think the nerf on EX up glow is massive.
Not being able to reset positioning & put herself at a range she wants to be at safely is M A S S I V E
 

John_NX

Your circumstances are dire!
Kitana didn't even receive any buff or nerfs to her frame data. She is exactly as she used to be lol (At least to her fan fare variation)
 

lordlosh

Apprentice
Liu Kang to me its the new number 1. He was Top Tier even before the patch. Now with the nerfs to the other top characters, and he get kinda slightly buffed i think he is the one.
Its pretty dumb what NRS is doing. This is not a proper balance, but just changing the characters at the top.
If you wanna balance things, do it the right away. If you take something away from current character, give him something else. Take smth, but give too.
Otherwise you are doing b.c. They should have touched and balanced the KB and FB, cause this was the main thing that gives certain imbalance. Throws also should have been touched and that f**** 50/50 should have been removed and add animation for front/back throw.

I have problems with Liu Kang even before the patch. He is fu**** pressure character with great safe strings and they are extremely fast and he steal turns a lot. Also he has abilities that will shine, when people get more use to the game and get better, like his parry for example.
He simply have the best zoning from "mixed" character. He destroys Cassie in that department. He can throw low and high fireball at the same time, his low fireball is actually low, while Cassie is mid, and you not even need to crouch to block it.
Cassie or anyone, that is not full zoner cant play zone game with him, simply because he have that imba full screen Flying Dragon Kick, that is insanely fast - 14f, and its full screen and even carry a f** KB. You dont even need to flawless block, you just need to normal block and hop reversal eat that kick in the face. And you can even amplify that s.... He is simply the best anti air hero in the game. I even forget that he have a Air f Fireball ....
He have crazy good KB, on which you can even combo and do insane damage. His FB is ridiculous, it has good range, its crazy fast and hard to punish because of the blockstun. And if thats not enough, he can fu** FB on combo, early on, and even at the end of the combo for insane amout of damage, because his FB has the best damage scaling.
And what really piss me about that character is his easy as F** combos. There is simply no room for error, so he is f** safe on his combos and wont drop them, unlike many character, that have hard combos and often drops them and eat punish because of that.
Baraka, Jax and Kabal are the other characters that i really think are underplayed so far and i expect big things from this characters, especially from Baraka with his insane damage, due to his KBs.
 
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NeonGroovyGator

Vampire mommy simp
Here's the beautiful thing about this. We have no idea on how most buffed low tiers will play now.
I think that's the reason why so many people are saying character X or Y are still top 5. It's because we know in the pre patch version Sonya would have still been top 5 with the damage nerfs and Geras too after whatever they tried doing with him. But we have no clue on how effective D'Vorah or Frost are gonna be.
On hot takes, I think both of them are the biggest winners in this patch and they might be near the top now. Shao is probably mid. Kollector is a big question mark for me, since I haven't played him at all. I think Kotal is better but still a bit lackluster, along with characters like Kitana who were already middling and had their main variation left untouched.
Kabal and Liu are the obvious winners out of the untouched high tiers, they're both top 5 I think, Kabal for sure. Sub and Jax probably top 10.
 

Matix218

Get over here!
Sonic Fox believes Cassie is no longer top 5 because she is no longer as safe as she used to be. I also think the nerf on EX up glow is massive.
It has gotten to a point in the NRS community where we basically can't question sonic's judgement on this type of thing. He has proven that he understands these games on a level above all but maybe 2 or 3 other people at most so I guess when he says something like that we should just assume it is true lol.
 

SwiftEagle

Apprentice
Wanna make this quick post just to say WHAT THE ACTUAL SHIT! I've been fighting non-stop Dvorah, Kitana, Noob Kabal and Kollector. Can we say these are the new top tiers now? I believe we have new top tiers but I want second opinions of course. And I also want to know who you think is the new top tier crew.
All this proves is that this game is infested with tryhards; players that don't pick the characters they like. They pick the characters that win. No loyalty. I've experienced the same thing with Kollector. I must've fought 10 of them in 2 days.
With that being said the top tiers didn't switch. Scorpion's teleport is a high? Doesn't matter. Sure there's less of them now, but the ones that still use him play more conservatively from full screen now. They still get to throw out F3s all day without consequence. They patched things nobody asked for.
 

Hellbringer

1 2 3 drink
Liu Kang to me its the new number 1. He was Top Tier even before the patch. Now with the nerfs to the other top characters, and he get kinda slightly buffed i think he is the one.
Its pretty dumb what NRS is doing. This is not a proper balance, but just changing the character at the top.
If you wanna balance things, do it the right away. If you take something away from current character, give him something else. Take smth, but give too.
Otherwise you are doing b.c. They should have touched and balanced the KB and FB, cause this was the main thing that gives certain imbalance. Throws also should have been touched and that f**** 50/50 should have been removed and add animation for front/back throw.

I have problems with Liu Kang even before the patch. He is fu**** pressure character with great safe strings and their extremely fast and he steal turns a lot. Also he has abilities that will shine, when people get more use to the game and get better, like his parry for example.
He simply have the best zoning from "mixed" character. He destroys Cassie in that department. He can throw low and high fireball at the same time, his low fireball is actually low, while Cassie is mid, and you not even need to crouch to block it.
Cassie or anyone, that is not full zoner cant play zone game with him, simply because he have that imba full screen Flying Dragon Kick, that is insanely fast - 14f, and its full screen and carry a even carry a f** KB. You dont even need to flawless block, you just need to normal black and hop reversal eat that kick in the face. And you can even amplify that s. He is simply the best anti air hero in the game. I even forget that he have a Air f Fireball ....
He have crazy good KB, on which you can even combo and do insane damage. His FB is ridiculous, is has good range, its crazy fast and hard to punish because of the blockstun. And if thats not enough, he can fu** FB on combo, early on, and even at the end of the combo for insane amout of damage, because his FB has the best damage scaling.
And what really piss me about that character is his easy as F** combos. There is simply no room for error, so he is f** safe on his combos and won`t drop them, unlike many character, that have hard combos and often drops them and eat punish because of that.
Baraka, Jax and Kabal are the other characters that i really think are underplayed so far and i expect big things from this characters, especially from Baraka with his insane damage, due to his KB.
This post is gold! Keep it up :)
 

Shania Twain

That Don't Impress Me Much
on topic....I still encounter Sub, Scorp, and Kabal more. I wish they would quit trying to make Kabal happen. He is not going to happen.

As far as money matches, I just think you should get one of those job things. You can be like one of those youtube people who just rephrase news and eventually get money or write a blog. Target pays like 10 bucks an hour. So does Gap/Old Navy/ and Banana Republic and you can meet girls/boys. And discounts on nice clothes.