Street Fighter V General Discussion

[B. Shazzy]

well hey guise just watched CoolKid Rashid destroy former King of the hill Shine's Karin 10-1, which according to reliable sources (best rashid matchup analyzer riptorn man) in this thread I've heard is such a bad matchup for rashid lul. Right.


Anway after the Bodying was over Ultradavid and Tasty Steve were so silly to say this about Rashid's tier # in the game

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Man someone should show these dummies Nemo's new tier list or something man rashid can't be top 5 as we all know lul obviously thanks again riptorn for opening our eyes to the character so gdlk best rashid analyzer NA man

 

[buyacushun]

Sheesh. Is that how y'all really talk MUs? Anyone want to do something actually fun and play?

 

[B. Shazzy]

shoutouts to me keeping a perfect record btw

ya but remember when I've never been wrong about like anything in this game. Didn't I say Rashid was top 5 and he's top 5.

I remember lul

shoutouts to you guys to I guess not realizing rashid is top 5 thousands of years ago thanks for playing but i actually know how this game works lul

 

[THTB]

I've been reading idk how many pages and all it is is "Guile top 5 lul".

 

[ILuvFightGames]

I've been reading idk how many pages and all it is is "Guile top 5 lul".

Lol, yea well I'm not qualified to say who's top tier and who's not but the general consensus is that Guile is top 3 AT WORST. I mean honestly this is the answer I usually hear on tournament streams.

 

[FL Rushdown]

shoutouts to me keeping a perfect record btw



shoutouts to you guys to I guess not realizing rashid is top 5 thousands of years ago thanks for playing but i actually know how this game works lul

Rashid might be top 5. But I think you're pretty hard pressed to definitively say he's inarguably better than Urien, Rog, Laura, cammy, zangief, necalli, guile, ibuki, akuma. You could argue it fairly well. imo the top 10~ characters are all pretty competitive with each other.

 

[B. Shazzy]

Lol, yea well I'm not qualified to say who's top tier and who's not but the general consensus is that Guile is top 3 AT WORST. I mean honestly this is the answer I usually hear on tournament streams.

what is there to be confused about guiles best in the game and rashid bottom 5 riptorn cleared it up for us its right there on nemos tier list man get with the times

 

[B. Shazzy]

Rashid might be top 5. But I think you're pretty hard pressed to definitively say he's inarguably better than Urien, Rog, Laura, cammy, zangief, necalli, guile, ibuki, akuma. You could argue it fairly well. imo the top 10~ characters are all pretty competitive with each other.

no it's pretty clear once you think about tierlists in terms of matchups instead of highlight or setups for those characters you see in tweets/nemo's tier list man

 

[FL Rushdown]

no it's pretty clear once you think about tierlists in terms of matchups instead of highlight/setups for those characters you see in tweets/nemo's tier list man

Who does Urien lose to? Who can Laura/Rog not kill in a random hit into activation? Who is ever safe vs zangief? Who has a neutral edge vs Karin/cammy? I mean matchup wise rashid might not lose to too many people but I don't think he's dumpstering any of the characters I just listed. It's like ryu in s1. Having no losing matchups doesn't mean you only have winning ones. He goes pretty even vs everyone and still has to work to win.

 

[B. Shazzy]

Who does Urien lose to? Who can Laura/Rog not kill in a random hit into activation? Who is ever safe vs zangief? Who has a neutral edge vs Karin/cammy? I mean matchup wise rashid might not lose to too many people but I don't think he's dumpstering any of the characters I just listed. It's like ryu in s1. Having no losing matchups doesn't mean you only have winning ones. He goes pretty even vs everyone and still has to work to win.

Urien loses to Guile slightly and probably Cammy. Laura/Rog still have quite a few losing matchups, damage isn't everything in fgs.


It's hard to put whole #s on a character over another but you have to realize what's more valuable in a character like Rashid - excels in every aspect maybe not the best in all categories and never the weakest. A character like Laura isn't balanced like that take away the one thing she excels at burst damage/stun and what is she? That's why she has bad matchups but is still so dumb, poor balancing of a character. Rashid is not only balanced but he goes beyond the standard in most categories. A character like Guile is designed around his projectile take that away and you have a near 7-3 in the Balrog matchup.


Rashid doesn't have to worry about these kinds of things super valuable in a character. Because he's not immeditately broken in one direction scrubs will point out to "b-but what about Balrog" over a character Like Rashid who you have to be good player to actually understand the characters potential. really the biggest part of it is understanding how rashid is such a perfect example of a character made for sfv environment and actually experiencing this character yourself helps. When the next patch rolls around and people still don't think Rashi is top 5 well then the character just isn't for you.

 

[B. Shazzy]

at the end of the day if you're prob a bum/ training partner is Daigo you prob think Guiles best in the game/top 3 whatever and people who think Rashid are top 5 understand the character and when asked about who's top 5 for thought for more than 5 seconds before answering

 

[Youphemism]

Come on guys just listen to IIINCORRUPTIBLE- I mean shazzy, he plays online ranked he knows what he's talking about

He doesn't cherry pick sets like CoolKid vs Shine to use as an argument or anything come on now guize

 

[FL Rushdown]

^this guy is my hero. Comes outta nowhere just to fire shots at shazzy. He's the hero we need AND the one we deserve.(even if shazzy is probably right that guiles not top 3 material).

 

[buyacushun]

^this guy is my hero. Comes outta nowhere just to fire shots at shazzy. He's the hero we need AND the one we deserve.(even if shazzy is probably right that guiles not top 3 material).

I'm taking points off for playing the middle with that response. Come on rushdown, you're better then that

 

[God Confirm]

this thread is becoming unreadable, and I usually like Shazzy but whys he spamming all this cancer to Rip just for using the exact same arguments he uses all the time to prove his own points

bad day, or just feeling himself a little too much?

 

[Killphil]

Idk I like how sassy Shazzy gets. I need a little bit of drama thrown in there and who would Rip and Rushdown argue with if Shazzy wasn't here? (Alright cushion I won't throw you under the bus anymore since you've been playing the fence for a long while now. haha)

 

[B. Shazzy]

this thread is becoming unreadable, and I usually like Shazzy but whys he spamming all this cancer to Rip just for using the exact same arguments he uses all the time to prove his own points

bad day, or just feeling himself a little too much?

I mean come on

it's not feeling myself, it's just reality. his points are obtuse at best like when he says stuff like "space Uriens shoulder to be plus on block in footsies man" or "just cc rashid's wind projectile startup" or "rashid has nothing abusable" like these are things anyone does idk what to say to him. I'm not arguing with theory fighter/zero exp, sorry.


referencing players for top 5 rashid stuff is to show that people out there do understand the character has the potential. Meanwhile rip flashes nemo's tier list like it cancels out everybody else's, like it's some ace in the hole that decides literally anything. when has someone here said "Guiles top 5" and then I flashed some tier with no guile like " where's Guile tho see I'm right?" lul

And the difference with the referencing sets is Rip says "see bad matchup" if Daigo Guile beats a Rashid in online casuals then that settles the matchup, it's bad now. It doesn't and isn't because I actually know what the matchup is and can talk about firsthand. Then when Rip says Karin definitely 6-4s Rashid and the next day Coolkid beats shine 10-1 free, it's just hilarious. where does he get these ideas if not actually experiencing the matchup himself, because he doesnt? He's just fishing what do you want me to do lul

 

[NHDR]

This arguing stuff is pointless. The "drama" adds some fun but the last few pages have essentially been a waste of space.

 

[@MylesWright_]

If its over a paragraph and it isn't Entropic By Design sharing details about his life that no one asked for, I'm not reading it

 

[B. Shazzy]

arguing is pointless in a discussion forum, got it thanks guise. sorry to interrupt the complaining about Capcom thing or asking for games bump lul


just hit the ignore button if you don't want to see works wonders for the entropic diary entries

 

[ILuvFightGames]

I believe almost every post helps one way or another, wether it be a discussion about tiers or tech, for example by the argument that has been going on made me examine all those points and what not, this is hands down the most replied and live thread on this site, and it wouldn't be this way if everyone just agreed on everything.

 

[Rip Torn]

I mean come on

it's not feeling myself, it's just reality. his points are obtuse at best like when he says stuff like "space Uriens shoulder to be plus on block in footsies man" or "just cc rashid's wind projectile startup" or "rashid has nothing abusable" like these are things anyone does idk what to say to him. I'm not arguing with theory fighter/zero exp, sorry.

The Urien thing was just a response to Rushdown saying Urien is never at plus frames. He can be at plus frames, despite it being difficult. He can get into a range where tackle is either plus on block or even more plus on hit. If he spaces it wrong, he's still going to be safe.

As for whirlwind shot plus frames, it's a risk to throw out constantly. So either you are going to keep letting him get away with it or you are going to force him to stop by pushing a button or using some other option (which many characters have). It's almost the same mixup as a command grab but not as scary. You might take a couple medium whirlwind shots for 60 damage or just play it safe and eventually block a Medium or light whirlwind shot and his pressure is over.

Also, kind of funny to complain about plus on block projectiles when booms are +2.

 

[EntropicByDesign]

If its over a paragraph and it isn't Entropic By Design sharing details about his life that no one asked for, I'm not reading it

I knew we were friends.

My cats ate the butter out of my butter dish.

Also, Its one word. EntropicByDesign. Or, ya know, John.

 

[B. Shazzy]

The Urien thing was just a response to Rushdown saying Urien is never at plus frames. He can be at plus frames, despite it being difficult. He can get into a range where tackle is either plus on block or even more plus on hit. If he spaces it wrong, he's still going to be safe.

As for whirlwind shot plus frames, it's a risk to throw out constantly. So either you are going to keep letting him get away with it or you are going to force him to stop by pushing a button or using some other option (which many characters have). It's almost the same mixup as a command grab but not as scary. You might take a couple medium whirlwind shots for 60 damage or just play it safe and eventually block a Medium or light whirlwind shot and his pressure is over.

Also, kind of funny to complain about plus on block projectiles when booms are +2.

why do you upplay character's options that aren't rashid so hard lul. no if Urien spaces it wrong it's punishable, not safe. And ya of course things require risk and can still be good rip. Crazy I know. I block a lk shot and everything is just good huh. My turn right oh except the massive pushback which might as well put as at neutral and my back is still in the corner and Rashid still has some of the best buttons in the game. You realize that this isnt a bad thing for rashid right?

acknowledging rashid has projectile pressure doesn't really mean I'm complaining about the idea of plus on block projectiles, does it?

kind of funny you complain about safe spacing after specials on block when you have rashid's whirlwindshot or vskill roll or running mixer. am i doing this right lul

 

[Rip Torn]

why do you upplay character's options that aren't rashid so hard lul. no if Urien spaces it wrong it's punishable, not safe. And ya of course things require risk and can still be good rip. Crazy I know. I block a lk shot and everything is just good huh. My turn right oh except the massive pushback which might as well put as at neutral and my back is still in the corner and Rashid still has some of the best buttons in the game. You realize that this isnt a bad thing for rashid right?

acknowledging rashid has projectile pressure doesn't really mean I'm complaining about the idea of plus on block projectiles, does it?

kind of funny you complain about safe spacing after specials on block when you have rashid's whirlwindshot or vskill. am i doing this right lul

Yeah i know tackle is punishible if you space it really bad. He can be plus, negative but safe, and punishable. There is a whole range of frame data there.

lk shot is -5 on block and guile has some pretty decent buttons. pretty sure there is some button that will beat any of rashid's options.