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so u can cancel a whiffed normal into raging demon, is that what your saying by kara?
Yeah but he's saying that if you cancel Akuma's overhead into raging demon, you won't hit them with the buttons you're pressing for the raging demon. Since the input for the Raging Demon involves pressing buttons, you can disguise it with an overhead that has a long startup, then cancel the overhead into raging demon.

Akuma can cancel into raging demon much later than a normal character can cancel into stuff, Including after the move has been blocked. Weird stuff.
 

Invincible Salads

Seeker of knowledge
Yeah but he's saying that if you cancel Akuma's overhead into raging demon, you won't hit them with the buttons you're pressing for the raging demon. Since the input for the Raging Demon involves pressing buttons, you can disguise it with an overhead that has a long startup, then cancel the overhead into raging demon.

Akuma can cancel into raging demon much later than a normal character can cancel into stuff, Including after the move has been blocked. Weird stuff.
i see, interesting.
 

x TeeJay o

Canary Cry Gapless Pressure
Alright ima let y'all finish, but where can I find the best SFV tut on the interwebs? I am brand new to SF in general so yeah I've got work to do.
 

FL Rushdown

Champion
so u can cancel a whiffed normal into raging demon, is that what your saying by kara?
It's not a whiff since you cancel before it can hurt them. It's so that you can do it point blank and not have the jab put them in block/hitstun and make your demon not work. Also since you can't jump a point blank demon a lot of people might see him raise his hand for the overhead and just block.
 

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Gootecks has a decent sfv tutorial that starts with the basics I think.
Yeah I saw that he always has really good ones. I was going to start out with cammy but I heard starting with Ryu is actually the best way to learn SF for the first time. What do you think?
 

FL Rushdown

Champion
Yeah I saw that he always has really good ones. I was going to start out with cammy but I heard starting with Ryu is actually the best way to learn SF for the first time. What do you think?
I think ryu is probably the best starting point just because he's got a well rounded toolset and won't really teach you any bad habits. But if you've already got fighting game experience you can start wherever you want. Sfv has easy enough execution that you can pickup and play a lot of characters.
 
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Yeah I saw that he always has really good ones. I was going to start out with cammy but I heard starting with Ryu is actually the best way to learn SF for the first time. What do you think?
The whole "start with Ryu" thing is a bit of a casual myth imo. He is a good starting point but picking up Ryu over another character you're interested in isn't actually going to improve your play or anything.
 

@MylesWright_

I'll be back 3ing
Now you're backing out on Juri again!? Myles say it ain't so. It's season 2 man. I thought this is when SF is great again.
It's that early stage when I think Juri might be top tier again. She may just be too difficult to be good in this game

SFV is it's own franchise.
 

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
The best character to learn SFV with is the one you enjoy playing.

Ryu emphasizes spacing and 'footsies' (to be honest, I'm starting to hate hearing that word since what it actually means is subjective as fuck) and, aside from a command grab, he has mostly every tool the game offers, so learning him does teach a lot of fundamental stuff, but the same can be said of most characters to one degree or another. Yeah, you aren't going to learn a fireball game with Cammy, but that's hardly the end of the world. If you decide to play a fireball character down the road, well, you'll just pick it up then.

A lot of people, and this is a weakness of mine, when they start a new game get this weird idea that they need to learn the game before they play the game, and it can lead to a kind of perpetual loop of research and practice and theory crafting that somehow just doesn't lead to that many actual games.. If you want to watch various tutorials on SfV that ABSOLUTELY won't hurt and it's a great idea, but your best bet after that is to find a player you can get in to Skype or some voice com program with and play a bunch of games and have that player just talk to you. 'hey I keep winning this exchange for this reason' 'you can punish me after this or that' 'hey don't press buttons there, I'm plus' etc etc. Then when you're done or that player isn't available, just grind the game. Play a million rounds.

I'm FAR from the best player here, but I don't mind to get in to Skype with you and help you out if you're interested.


You're new to the game, so go in with an open mind and play. Don't always play to win, focus on specific stuff and learn until it's just second nature, then focus on something else, and so on. After a while you'll start winning as your fundamentals get better and better and the flow of the game becomes second nature. Play what character(s) you want. Have fun and learn. You can buckle down and get serious when you have your feet under you.
 

GAV

Resolution through knowledge and resolve.
He's kicking ass, right?

Not in his mind, he wasn't. He made a ton of errors and most of them were on timing.

Gamers aren't what they were at 24 when they hit 35. When you're young, you can eat what you want without exercising much and still have zen-like focus and cat-like reflexes. When you get older, that sedentary gaming lifestyle of staring at a screen eating greasy foods has taken a toll on your reflexes and focus. If he sticks to Ryu, he can play an almost perfect game on muscle memory, but changing gears for older pros can be exceedingly difficult.
 

@MylesWright_

I'll be back 3ing
Too difficult to be good isn't a thing. Too difficult for YOU to play, that's probably a thing.
I wouldn't expect someone that flies from one flowchart to the next to understand that there are characters that can't afford to not be optimized

What is done to push the boundaries on good characters is required and more for Juri to be decent
 

FL Rushdown

Champion
I wouldn't expect someone that flies from one flowchart to the next to understand that there are characters that can't afford to not be optimized

What is done to push the boundaries on good characters is required and more for Juri to be decent
A)ryu has never been a flowchart character.

B)you just fucking said she might be top tier. now you're saying you'd have to be infiltration plus daigo just to make her decent..... make up your mind.
 
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The best character to learn SFV with is the one you enjoy playing.

Ryu emphasizes spacing and 'footsies' (to be honest, I'm starting to hate hearing that word since what it actually means is subjective as fuck) and, aside from a command grab, he has mostly every tool the game offers, so learning him does teach a lot of fundamental stuff, but the same can be said of most characters to one degree or another. Yeah, you aren't going to learn a fireball game with Cammy, but that's hardly the end of the world. If you decide to play a fireball character down the road, well, you'll just pick it up then.

A lot of people, and this is a weakness of mine, when they start a new game get this weird idea that they need to learn the game before they play the game, and it can lead to a kind of perpetual loop of research and practice and theory crafting that somehow just doesn't lead to that many actual games.. If you want to watch various tutorials on SfV that ABSOLUTELY won't hurt and it's a great idea, but your best bet after that is to find a player you can get in to Skype or some voice com program with and play a bunch of games and have that player just talk to you. 'hey I keep winning this exchange for this reason' 'you can punish me after this or that' 'hey don't press buttons there, I'm plus' etc etc. Then when you're done or that player isn't available, just grind the game. Play a million rounds.

I'm FAR from the best player here, but I don't mind to get in to Skype with you and help you out if you're interested.


You're new to the game, so go in with an open mind and play. Don't always play to win, focus on specific stuff and learn until it's just second nature, then focus on something else, and so on. After a while you'll start winning as your fundamentals get better and better and the flow of the game becomes second nature. Play what character(s) you want. Have fun and learn. You can buckle down and get serious when you have your feet under you.
I honestly was thinking I should just play with someone for hundreds of games. I'm definitely down ! I love learning man it's addicting
 

@MylesWright_

I'll be back 3ing
A)ryu has never been a flowchart character.

B)you just fucking said she might be top tier. now you're saying you'd have to be infiltration plus daigo just to make her decent..... make up your mind.
A)Cry me a river

B)Exactly. The character has such a high skill ceiling just to be relevant, until someone hits that it's unknown how good she truly is
 

FL Rushdown

Champion
A)Cry me a river

B)Exactly. The character has such a high skill ceiling just to be relevant, until someone hits that it's unknown how good she truly is
There are definitely people out there good enough to optimize sfv juri. Please don't act like there aren't.

Also, fill me in on this ryu flowchart. I'd like to know what I'm missing.
 

GAV

Resolution through knowledge and resolve.
@MylesWright_

You love thinking whoever you use stinks so that whenever you lose, you can just blame the matchup.