Indeed. Starfire is a well rounded character with her best tool being her Zoning. That means she is gonna have some pretty good neutral, along with other good tools, but these tools aren't gonna be as strong as her Zoning, and also not as good as other chars' same type of tools, but still pretty good. People need to realize that not every char is gonna be too similar to others.
Her sweep is 19 frames and -27 on block so prepare to get punished everytime unless your opponent is a dumbass
I hope you watched the Jupiter Vs Jackal ft10 because everything that happened in that set was exactly what I said her issues are. For God's sake, count how many teleports and d2s Starfire gets hit by.
How you can take that set and use it to fuel a Starfire is bad campaign is beyond me.
My dude.. She can't Jail anything off her d1 except another d1 because it is only +9 on hit.
Why can't she do S2 after d1 on hit? Isn't that her go to string?
That set had nothing to do with the match up or Starfire being bad imo. I don't think either player was playing at a level where match ups and tiers truly matter.
Most characters can't. Scarecrow is the only character off the top of my head who can easily jail a high off of a d1 on hit. Starfire s2 will stuff any attempts to mash if you're just somewhat on point.
From the range you can use it I doubt people would be able to truly punish it and that's where you would mix in her f3 or her multiple other long reaching strings
It's extremely punishable by a good majority of the cast and there is no mix-up. Sweep is 19 frames startup, f3 is 29. 10 frame difference and the animation is recognizable as soon as you see it. Plus sweep reaches farther so if you know the distance you don't have to worry. Both get blown up by jump ins too BTW.
Tele I suppose better neutral all sf attacks start high or have no range at start
SG has much better neutral with B1 and f2, tele can punish stardust, and her trait lasers are faster than Starfire's df1 and trait and knockdown on hit. These are the 3 main things that give Starfire problems imo.
So I should duck a lot?
Maybe she is not for you in particular, just because a character is great that doesn't mean you can automatically control that char to it's fullest if it's not fit your playstyle. I play her and I have nice results with her so far, so are a few pro players.
Probably true, I main cheetah and swamp thing. Trying to learn a more zoning oriented character for bad matchups. It just seems her projectiles are massively overhyped. All of them just have so much start up or just highs. Sure very far startdust is +24 on block, that’s all good but it’s like 50 frames start up. Doesn’t seem like she can compete with other zoners like Dr Fate. And her footsies seem very meh.
She has Starblast and Starbolt Trait as well, you need to mix up between all of her 3 projectiles (and all versions of Stardust), and know when to MB them like for Stardust as MB Stardust turns into a Reptile Forceball-like projectile that give you additional properties. Also regarding Stardust, the hitbox for that projectile in particular are active only when it explodes, that shows even further that you need to mix up the projectiles.
Idk man. The projectiles themselves just travel so slowly. Dr Fates are so much faster, and are all mids, and he doesn’t have to work out all these distances to like you have to with star dust. I honestly don’t believe you can get away with using far star dust on fate. You end up taking more damage with chip and hit while he can pretty much duck everything else unles you meter burn trait. Idk what ppl are talking about with all these 6-4 matchups. Her jump 3 good but you get nothing off it. F2 a high, and she’s just so stubby. I mean her best buttons like a 11 frame mid with no range? Just don’t get the hype...
As I said, you can't use just far Stardust. That's just one of four versions of just one out of 3 projectiles that Starfire has. All versions of Stardust are indeed slow, but Starblast is a very fast projectile with only 14 frames on Startup (same as Dr. Fate's Apophis Blast projectile), and Starbolt Trait is also fast enough, much faster then Fate's Orb projectile. And once again, Starfire has the mobility, she can use TC for air mobility as well as air dashing. Just use the right moves at the right times against other Zoners to either Counter-Zone them or Anti-Zone them.
There's still the start up of stardust before the ex comes out, I'm not sure of the exact start up overall, but yeah it's much slower than 5 frames.
But his Apophis Blast is already a mid, even if she stays closer she isn't supposed to duck it. Isn't it a true mid?