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Strategy - Hellfire So, time we had a discussion about Hellfire

rubmytaco

rubmytaco

CarriedByClone
Tweedy said:
Yeah but he gets opportunities in EU tournaments and doesn't do as well as Murko/Happypow/Ktop and Foxy/Madzin/St9rm/Jupe/etc before them.

You know as well as any that if you're up there in EU, you'll get your chances at Burbank and what not. If Shura's never gotten a shot, it's for a reason. He'll have more on Injustice 2.

Your tournament was great Taco, but correct me if i'm wrong.

Neither Foxy, Madzin, Jupe, Murko or Ktop were present, yet Shura failed to make top 8? I'm sure there are other great EU players who were not present.

Yeah the oppression is on him at that point.
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As far as I know, Shura wasn't playing the game as seriously as he is currently and AFK was the first 'big' offline tournament he entered to my knowledge. It's very unlikely that you do great at your first offline event and everyone can have their bad days. As far as I know, Shura does very well against pretty much every EU player at the moment and I do consider him a top 10 player in EU. Yes NA tournaments are more stacked overall, but to blatantly say he'd go 1-2 at best at any given tournament is a bit disrespectful imo.
 
Tweedy

Tweedy

Champion
rubmytaco said:
As far as I know, Shura wasn't playing the game as seriously as he has previously and AFK was the first 'big' offline tournament he entered to my knowledge. It's very unlikely that you do great at your first offline event and everyone can have their bad days. As far as I know, Shura does very well against pretty much every EU player at the moment and I do consider him a top 10 player in EU. Yes NA tournaments are more stacked overall, but to blatantly say he'd go 1-2 at best at any given tournament is a bit disrespectful imo.
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When I watched him play Murko on stream Murko beat him with variationless Scorpion and he whined. I've also played him some. Maybe I should watch more but I was going off of those things and AFK.

You guys will have opportunities on Inj 2 with ESL and stuff i'm sure. The rise of Shura will commence.
 
Zionix

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
Tweedy said:
You pretty much miss my point.

Internationals have gotten a lot of chances and they have backed it up.

The ones who haven't proved themselves to be top in EU alone and just ride coattails, are not entitled to anything. That's all i'm saying.
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I agree and the top EU players would agree as well.
 
ArmedCalf

ArmedCalf

I guess I play Necromancer now.. PSN: ArmedCalf
rubmytaco said:
As far as I know, Shura wasn't playing the game as seriously as he is currently and AFK was the first 'big' offline tournament he entered to my knowledge. It's very unlikely that you do great at your first offline event and everyone can have their bad days. As far as I know, Shura does very well against pretty much every EU player at the moment and I do consider him a top 10 player in EU. Yes NA tournaments are more stacked overall, but to blatantly say he'd go 1-2 at best at any given tournament is a bit disrespectful imo.
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You don't know how you'll do until you attend. After that you get a clear picture of where you stand and who's ahead. We could say he would make top 8, we could say he'd go 1-2, but ultimately no one would know unless he travelled (and trust me I know how hard travelling is).

I don't want this misunderstood as a shot at Shura, I really like Shura, but ya gotta show up and see how you'd do for yourself.

Also Hellfire is nuts but I don't know enough about the game as a whole to comment on a placing.
 
rubmytaco

rubmytaco

CarriedByClone
Tweedy said:
When I watched him play Murko on stream Murko beat him with variationless Scorpion and he whined. I've also played him some. Maybe I should watch more but I was going off of those things and AFK.

You guys will have opportunities on Inj 2 with ESL and stuff i'm sure. The rise of Shura will commence.
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I know you don't mean to shit on anyone. I just think making tough statements like that isn't cool. In addition to my last post, here's who I think is currently top 10 in Europe (not in order and based purely on who I've played or seen play)

Foxy, Madzin, Crathen, HappyPow, Murko, RZA, IrishMantis, Shura, Jupe (when he isn't sandbagging in the weekly PC cups) and Ktop.
 
Xxonemanwolfpax

Xxonemanwolfpax

LFF_PAX
Why is everyone arguing about whos the best hellfire? Its so irrelevant. Everyone has their own tech and plays different.
Tweedy said:
Far from an exact quote but i'll toss that up as TYM being TYM.
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I wasnt exactly quoting you, im just proving my point. You complain about it so much but you do it too. Hypocrite at the pure noble gas form
 
rubmytaco

rubmytaco

CarriedByClone
ArmedCalf said:
You don't know how you'll do until you attend. After that you get a clear picture of where you stand and who's ahead. We could say he would make top 8, we could say he'd go 1-2, but ultimately no one would know unless he travelled (and trust me I know how hard travelling is).

I don't want this misunderstood as a shot at Shura, I really like Shura, but ya gotta show up and see how you'd do for yourself.

Also Hellfire is nuts but I don't know enough about the game as a whole to comment on a placing.
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I'm not saying anything about his placement :) That's my exact point. You really can't say anything unless he would enter a couple of tournaments. Both sides are wrong to predict anything, really.
 
Yer_Da

Yer_Da

I don't sell Avon.
Tweedy said:
The ones who haven't proved themselves to be top in EU alone and just ride coattails, are not entitled to anything. That's all i'm saying.
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I think that's a very arrogant and misinformed statement. I know for a fact that Shura is one of the busiest guys behind the scenes in the EU FGC and works nonstop alongside the likes of ESL and other players to try and establish a stronger scene in the EU and bring together a community. At no point am I willing to dismiss anything he says as nonsense because he hasn't placed.

@Youphemism is another one, that guy does a ton for the community, both offline and online, I'm not discarding that because his tournament resume isn't up to a certain standard.

Infact, didn't a ton of people doubt you before TCW? I'd hope you'd be a stronger advocate for people getting themselves out there and doing their best, top 8's or not.
 
SylverRye

SylverRye

Official Loop Kang Main
Lol i feel red raptors post. Every time i stream or play i see people asking who's the best liu.. murk or xarakamaka or me or zyphox and it's really annoying and causes unnecessary drama. The need to be the best with a character just seems like needing to give yourself false validation. Being the best doesn't mean anything if you aren't winning.. sorry to derail but nowadays you see "whos the best this" as much as you see tier talk...
 
TheGoldenJew

TheGoldenJew

PSN: The_Golden_Jew1
Yer_Da said:
Madzin made top 8 (the only Sub Zero to do so in NA), Jupe made top 8 by taking out PL and Toxin.
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Madzin is an honorary American. Jupe is solid. I don't know anyone named Murko though. All this nonsense about someone being better than another without results is just an idiotic argument. Raptor beats the best with the character.
 
Zionix

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
TheGoldenJew said:
Madzin is an honorary American. Jupe is solid. I don't know anyone named Murko though. All this nonsense about someone being better than another without results is just an idiotic argument. Raptor beats the best with the character.
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Ignorant or naive. Not sure which but I do know that you're a tosspot.
 
Yer_Da

Yer_Da

I don't sell Avon.
TheGoldenJew said:
Madzin is an honorary American. Jupe is solid. I don't know anyone named Murko though. All this nonsense about someone being better than another without results is just an idiotic argument. Raptor beats the best with the character.
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You asksd for examples, I gave you them. I'm not interested in who the best Hellfire is but if you want to know who Murko is, please get yourself the EU version of the game, I'm sure he'll be happy to play.

Infact, EC Lion, to his credit, at least wanted to see what the big deal was and challenged him to a FT10 on K&M's stream.
 
Matix218

Matix218

Get over here!
Yer_Da said:
You asksd for examples, I gave you them. I'm not interested in who the best Hellfire is but if you want to know who Murko is, please get yourself the EU version of the game, I'm sure he'll be happy to play.

Infact, EC Lion, to his credit, at least wanted to see what the big deal was and challenged him to a FT10 on K&M's stream.
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I watched the youtube upload of that ft10 match the other day. Pretty entertaining.
 
rubmytaco

rubmytaco

CarriedByClone
This whole NA vs EU thing needs to stop. I'll be working on something to settle this, not in the "who is better" way, but in a way that brings both communities together. It's quite apparent that there's a big lack of respect on both sides in cases.

We're all ONE community, not two or more.
 
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