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Question - Demolition Multi Grenade on screen tech

Dedlock

Dedlock

Apprentice
Ayase Chihaya said:
Corner it's def viable and doable during matches. I don't see why not, cause it works off of any starter and if you can practice the negative edge inputs it should be consistent. Mid screen you might as well forget about it since normal bnbs do more damage.
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I'm no Demo player but I can so tell that Corner tech is very doable even with online lag, infact it'll be easier with lag!

still cant get my head around how this was only just uncovered! the Corner Kiss of Death 68% non Xray combo had me loling Sonya had everything out grenades, drones, battleships whatelse?.

brace yourselves everybody once this tech gets out ,We're going to get hit with the NERF Brush, they cant damage scale even further with this, the only solutions will be for Reload to be made even slower (is that possible?) or they'll shorten the stunn effects to drop the combo.

I just hope they don't screw with her universals, covert ops shouldn't have to pay for Demolition's sins.
 
Gustavness

Gustavness

The Tech Whisperer
Dedlock said:
I'm no Demo player but I can so tell that Corner tech is very doable even with online lag, infact it'll be easier with lag!

still cant get my head around how this was only just uncovered! the Corner Kiss of Death 68% non Xray combo had me loling Sonya had everything out grenades, drones, battleships whatelse?.

brace yourselves everybody once this tech gets out ,We're going to get hit with the NERF Brush, they cant damage scale even further with this, the only solutions will be for Reload to be made even slower (is that possible?) or they'll shorten the stunn effects to drop the combo.

I just hope they don't screw with her universals, covert ops shouldn't have to pay for Demolition's sins.
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I'm not so sure that this wasnt their original design. her grenades, reloading, and EX not only share the same button, but the inputs are different than the rest of her other specials so that you dont actually get the incorrect negative edge input. not like you're getting ring tosses or leg grabs out when you're doing this, are you?

I dont play with negative edge (it tends to be extreme in this game with other characters) but i was working on something else and i started thinking about why the throw didnt activate the grenade. this led me to think of Hilde in Soul calibur, and it got me to thinking on how her mechanics worked. this then made me think about a different game i used to play years ago where i had discovered similar tech to this involving Negative Edge. Once i realized i could reload without activating the grenade, i began working on how to do it mid combo

Now, one thing that they MIGHT nerf is being able to do EX reload (bomb drops) using Negative Edge. I can do it consistently now (and it feels like i'm glitching sort of), and im not so sure its intentional. in the corner leads to 20% chip frame traps with a guess into another 10-15% chip, and builds ridiculous meter, and is DF liu kang loopable. if you try to armor, you just get launched into 40% because its all armor breaking
 
skater11

skater11

The saltiest
the MB grab vortex is pretty fucking dirty lol. You can throw two grenades and even if they start mashing "2" to escape any grab attempt, your stun grenade gives you a launcher during the teching animation. I cant make videos, but itd be nice if someone could replicate what im talking about and share it.
 
scarsunseen

scarsunseen

Miley Cyrax®
Dedlock said:
I'm no Demo player but I can so tell that Corner tech is very doable even with online lag, infact it'll be easier with lag!

still cant get my head around how this was only just uncovered! the Corner Kiss of Death 68% non Xray combo had me loling Sonya had everything out grenades, drones, battleships whatelse?.

brace yourselves everybody once this tech gets out ,We're going to get hit with the NERF Brush, they cant damage scale even further with this, the only solutions will be for Reload to be made even slower (is that possible?) or they'll shorten the stunn effects to drop the combo.

I just hope they don't screw with her universals, covert ops shouldn't have to pay for Demolition's sins.
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I personally don't mind if this gets nerfed for damage, but ever since they removed B14 as a HKD for safe reload, she really does need this.
 
Gustavness

Gustavness

The Tech Whisperer
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I'm not a combo guy, i leave that kind of stuff to others. Your 9 grenade combo is crazy, i would not have thought of that one. I'm more of a guy that likes to break apart mechanics. I used to be a really strong player in my youth but i'm old now, reflexes are shot, and i just cant dedicate the time.

My focus is to break it and if i do, make it consistent. my setup lets me do this 9/10 times, and it comes from a 50/50 and works on all characters. while i know that you can use standing 4, i personally had a much harder time getting it every time. Believe me, i spent two days before i made this thread trying hundreds and hundreds of things AFTER i learned i could Negative Edge a reload before i found something that allowed me to reload mid combo and was reliable with solid damage.

At this point, I think i'll hold back the other few things i found with her. to be honest, the negative edge one was the most important though, and i'm more curious what everyone else can come up with using this tech that i can possibly steal and figure out how to implement and take her from S tier to S+ :joker:
 
Gesture Required Ahead

Gesture Required Ahead

Get on that hook
I was labbing some zoning stuff for a bit today. Haven't landed any solid tech yet but I can smell full-screen combos. Definitely some pretty dirty Cyrax-like zoning at the very least.

Negative Edge Reload is even more godlike than double nades lol. It's like Sonya's a charge character now it's pretty awesome.

I really wish they don't take this out it's too unique.
 
scarsunseen

scarsunseen

Miley Cyrax®
I wasn't able to come up with any midscreen mid-combo reload combos, but I was able to come up with double-grenade combos that break armored wake-ups. Gonna upload a video later.
 
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Gustavness said:
@Check

I'm not a combo guy, i leave that kind of stuff to others. Your 9 grenade combo is crazy, i would not have thought of that one. I'm more of a guy that likes to break apart mechanics. I used to be a really strong player in my youth but i'm old now, reflexes are shot, and i just cant dedicate the time.

My focus is to break it and if i do, make it consistent. my setup lets me do this 9/10 times, and it comes from a 50/50 and works on all characters. while i know that you can use standing 4, i personally had a much harder time getting it every time. Believe me, i spent two days before i made this thread trying hundreds and hundreds of things AFTER i learned i could Negative Edge a reload before i found something that allowed me to reload mid combo and was reliable with solid damage.

At this point, I think i'll hold back the other few things i found with her. to be honest, the negative edge one was the most important though, and i'm more curious what everyone else can come up with using this tech that i can possibly steal and figure out how to implement and take her from S tier to S+ :joker:
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Tons of respect for you. I used to be better at finding tech. As well as being a better player in my youth as well. I've been working on a combo video since April, so i really appreciate when new tech gets found at this stage of the game. And for that, i can't thank you enough for helping make sure this video is 100% complete. I wanted to include your air skull Quan tech, but only recently did i decide to remove it from my video. It's a 2 hour video, and i've been trying to trim it down for the last few months. Down to 1 hour, 25 minutes now. Once again, thank you for everything, and nice chatting with you. Lots of respect for you.
 
scarsunseen

scarsunseen

Miley Cyrax®
I feel that way too, man. There's gotta be a way to do this midscreen, I'm thinking maybe using F2 to negative edge reload?
 
Gustavness

Gustavness

The Tech Whisperer
Youphemism said:
YOU HEAR THAT PAULO?! YOU TAKE AWAY OUR B14 WE FIND 9 GRENADE COMBOS WITH A RELOAD IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FREAKIN' COMBO INSTEAD! :DOGE
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Like i said before, i think they knew about this. While the B14 nerf seemed senseless at the time, it makes a whole lot of sense right now. in the very first post, my video shows what happens if you cant tech roll off of it.

now, instead of two grenades, imagine 1, then a negative edge EX reload (which is safe on any wakeup in that situation, already tested it), the fourth grenade, along with your normals for 15% guaranteed armor breaking chip into guaranteed pressure afterwards
 
skater11

skater11

The saltiest
I'm getting 55% meterless off her low, all on the ground, no JIP DK starter. lol
And 46% meterless of off "basically" 1 grenade.

edit: Both can probably be optimized, not sure im doing max dmg possible. WILL TRY & UPLOAD VIDEO SOON
 
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