I play Slasher quite a bit. Actually, the only variation I play more than Slasher is Unstoppable. IMO, Slasher is Jason's best variation against zoners, but probably his weakest overall. Although, I think all three are decent.
I wish his machete toss led to a combo if you used the EX version. It would be a great wakeup since it's armored.
Same. It's godlike.
Either the frame data is wrong, or the fact that it's a 1 frame punish is making it difficult. Are you doing it online or in the lab?
Online but I took it to the lab as well. I tested it against cassies flipkick which punished it, but I couldn't get the 221 punish with jin for some reason, which I believe is the same frames
Hmm really hey? Perhaps KJ has the wrong frame date then?
Don't think so. All I know is that Jason's B122 is a pretty godlike string for multiple reasons
Try it against goros command grab. If you can backdash it it's not -8. If you can't your timing is off. Punishing -8 moves with a 7f normal is a 1f link so it's hard.
goro punishes w/ grab, its -8
No arguing that.
Pretty sure this is incorrect, reversals aren't one frame faster on startup they just come out one frame earlier than the window for normals to hit.
My point exactly
With normals you need at leas 2 frames in order to be able to reversal punish. So you need a 6 startup normal to punish a -8 move and you have to be on point. With a special you only need 1 frame thats why Cassie flip kick can punish it. I don't think jin as a 7 frame special but jason is left negative so I recommend you go for your 50/50 or grab.
That's incorrect, 7 frame normals and 8 frame reversal specials will punish a move that's -8 on block.
Which is what I meant. I didn't say they the start up changed.Yeah Jason's B122 has weird blockstun but it is possible to punish with 7 frame normals. Leatherface's F1 punishes it. Jin's standing 2 should probably punish it too, it's just weird timing. Practice it by blocking the whole string low then letting go of down as soon as the last hit touches you. You'll be jailed into a crouching stance by the blockstun and the frame you come up is the frame you can do a normal to punish
Pretty sure this is incorrect, reversals aren't one frame faster on startup they just come out one frame earlier than the window for normals to hit.
I am just beginning with Jason. But I think after a ji2.
This
Jason lives in the mid-tier life. Unstoppable is probably his best all-around variation.
Don't you find that Unstoppable is weak against zoning? I faced a gunslinger and even with healing buff on be was doing more chip on his mid hitting gun shots at full screen than I was healing. I find Relentless is better with dealing with everyone (so less bad match ups) in general but for many match ups, Unstoppable is better. I don't play with Slasher so not sure about this.
Against characters with regular access to mid-hitting projectiles, yes, the Unstoppable player is not going to have a good time. But, if the opponent doesn't have mid-hitting projectiles or requires meter for them, I don't think it's that bad: it just requires patience and a life lead. Now that Rise regenerates meter, if the opponent takes a while to decide that going in is a better idea, you usually have a chance at surprising them with an armored special.