Qwark28
Joker waiting room
DD likes to be at sweep range when in the corner, that way you can react to jumps and completely eliminate that option.
DD likes to be at sweep range when in the corner, that way you can react to jumps and completely eliminate that option.
It has to do with Lex's trouble with setups. MB shoulder rush is such a good wakeup against him to stuff his armor (unless he already has it). Other setups can be avoided or stuffed with it too.
His backwards teleport is only punishable by a really well timed MB Supernova. Anything else and he can either block or DD runs into the invisible hitbox.
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I can neutral jump splash every wake up and he has to hold that jump in. If he teleports at all he'll get hit, even if he teleports behind me because splash has such a large hitbox. And it's not like he can zone me.
I've played against some really high level frosts, including PR Rog. The only reason I didn't put him in the title post is because it was online. I really don't think this match up is in anyone's favor. Every time she tries to start offense, I get pressure. So she has to try to lame me out, but I can just slowly push her to the corner. If I read a wake up slide, it's 35%+ corner carry. And if I get her in the corner it's like game over as long as I just use raw ES to avoid parry. The only time the match up gets tricky is when she starts resetting me without trait, but even then I still have wake ups and blocking. She can't do any air dash nonsense because I'll six frame air snatch that shit like there's no tomorrow. From all the posts in here it actually makes me feel like it's pretty even.
Now that it's not 5am and I haven't been up all night, maybe I can write a more coherent response. Yes you can punish guns with venom from a certain position, but any good Deathstroke probably knows what that area is and won't try to zone you once you're in it. Once you do get in, you're not in a very good position, because he still has very good high/low pressure. If you grab all of his jump ins, it's not terrible, but that's not exactly realistic unless you're Tyrant. I'm getting there, but I'm not quite there yet. So if he hits you with a jump in and you guess wrong, you're taking 30% and going full screen. Now assuming that you do get in and knock him down, you put yourself in a 50-50 mix up on whether he's going to wake up or not. If he does, yes you get 35% or so with some corner carry. But the corner carry really doesn't matter because you have to respect his wake up no matter what. That's why I see it as a 6-4, because there isn't really a time in the match up where I feel like I have the upper hand. it very well could be a 5-5, but as or right now, I don't really see it as one. I would go for 5.5-4.5 in DS's favor if you really wanted to get technical. But I still don't think I'd call it a 5-5.
The point is not punishing guns. The point is that all it takes is one gunshot and you're in. I've been trying to say this for 3 posts now...
Wait. His tp has invisible walls despite being a wake up or not? If so thats troublesome. But even then DD can shut down his offense with d1's since it out ranges everything Shazam has. I will have to play the MU with Nivek more. But he hasnt given me trouble though and he abuses the hell out out of the back tp when we play.
Pretty much, this. Especially against DS since all of his wake ups can be baited really easily. His spin is full combo punishable, his sword something move (cant remember the name) can be back dashed since it doesnt have good range at all, and punished. All of his other wake ups are beaten by d1xES. And even so after a knock down you can simply activate trait and from there you control the match. Its not about punishing the gun shots. Its about getting in and staying in, and that is easy as fuck, especially with DD. He shits bars for breakfast when he is in your face.
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His F3 is really good yes, but if you can keep DS at d1 range it wont matter. He doesnt have anything better than DD's d1. And even if you get hit by his F3, the damage isnt anything to worry about. D1xx trait also really helps DD against him when up close, i saw no one mentioning that. You get free pressure and meter build afterwards.
I put an asterisk by KF for a reason. I said I don't know the match up that well, but it's most definitely not in her favor. I don't spam ES all day. MB F3 costs a bar and is blockable, wake up slide is readable or a free d1 check if I block it while traited. Jump is easily reactable with air throw even if I'm crouch blocking. She can't parry raw earth shakers or throws, her parry is also baitable. Batman wins because he can easily zone Doomsday with batarangs/trait and b23. With an absolutely huge emphasis on b23. Not because of his rushdown, though that is what helps solidify the 7-3.
No, the DS matchup is not 5.5 in DS favour, it's that in your mind unless you can provide arguements, making a MU chart and saying "go to thread xx245454x" is simply not acceptable.
I've said my reasoning about 100 times in this thread. I don't feel like I should have to keep typing it out. I say the match up is 6-4 in DS favor. That could easily change with time. But until I play Aris again I'm not going to change my mind. It's ok to have a different opinion from me.
After a slide it's a 50/50 situation for both players. That's not advantageous to either player, unless I have trait, in which case it's better for me. I don't have to bait parry because raw ES beats it. And even if I do bait it, I can punish with d1 venom, which is still a 7 frame punish and not at all a just frame, and I get corner carry. She doesn't get to open me up at all as long as my defense is solid. After venom I can always get a raw ES unless she backdashes or jumps, in which case it's a read that I'm used to from every other match up in the game. It's very similar to the wonder woman match up except for the fact that frost has much slower mobility, and less wake up options. Which makes my pressure more effective and is why I called it a 5-5. And until I fight a Frost that can show me the match up is significantly in her favor, I'm going to stand by the fact that it's probably a 5-5.
