M2Dave
Zoning Master
EX dive kicks pass through aerial lasers at least half the time because of the strange arcs.IA lasers
EX dive kicks pass through aerial lasers at least half the time because of the strange arcs.IA lasers
I think it's even. Darkseid wins the zoning war, but superman definitely wins in footsies using F23 or well-timed air dashes J1 from Supes is pretty good at countering tele, and I don't think it's impossible for superman to get in if he plays patiently since it's not like darkseid."Superman loses neutral vs Darkseid. He has to chase him constantly. Your idea of neutral just consists of sweep range footsies, because that's the only part of neutral that Darkseid loses vs Superman, and he doesn't have to play that game at all." @Tweedy
What do you guys think about this assessment? What are we not seeing that we can utilize in the neutral? What are some techniques and strategies, we should use in the MU?
Yah tweedys right darkseid in terms of neutral wins the mu, he outzones supes and supes has to get in."Superman loses neutral vs Darkseid. He has to chase him constantly. Your idea of neutral just consists of sweep range footsies, because that's the only part of neutral that Darkseid loses vs Superman, and he doesn't have to play that game at all." @Tweedy
What do you guys think about this assessment? What are we not seeing that we can utilize in the neutral? What are some techniques and strategies, we should use in the MU?
Yah tweedys right darkseid in terms of neutral wins the mu, he outzones supes and supes has to get in.
Well i usually just block,backdash, or reversal knee, supermans pressure is good vs darkseid but usually just blocking or getting away is ur best bet, also since u outzone supes u can mix him easier since his lasers arent fast enough to consistently interrupt ur mix oppurtunities.Shoukd I just focus on keeping full screen and push block the f23 pressure? I figured the HKD after lasers would help, but I'm wondering about my options when the Supes player is in my face.
Thank you, Knicks you're the man. I will lab this for sure, let me know when you're in the Orlando area. \m/Well i usually just block,backdash, or reversal knee, supermans pressure is good vs darkseid but usually just blocking or getting away is ur best bet, also since u outzone supes u can mix him easier since his lasers arent fast enough to consistently interrupt ur mix oppurtunities.
HAHAHAHAHAHA at 11:02 markI don't think darkseid can win the matchup by simply zoning the entire game,
Yeah I guess if you refuse to walk between ducking lasers, not MB roll at all, or try zoning as a character with slow startup projectiles it works.HAHAHAHAHAHA at 11:02 mark
Didn't see anything wrong at 11:39Yeah I guess if you refuse to walk between ducking lasers, not MB roll at all, or try zoning as a character with slow startup projectiles it works.
Also 11:39 kind of doesn't really help the whole argument if you're just letting him get away with stuff like that.
Unpunished stomp?Didn't see anything wrong at 11:39
Well who's fault is that. Also you could have worded your statement better as it caused confusion.U
Unpunished stomp?
Idk who's fault it is, I'm just saying that this example isn't exactly the best at saying that darkseid can just zone the whole game, but I've changed my mind anyway and reckon it's possible against a fair amount of charactersWell who's fault is that. Also you could have worded your statement better as it caused confusion.
I think he can against AdamIdk who's fault it is, I'm just saying that this example isn't exactly the best at saying that darkseid can just zone the whole game, but I've changed my mind anyway and reckon it's possible against a fair amount of characters
Probably since IA lasers go over low lightning. Black magic sometimes has some weird air hitbox thing but probably the same thing. Well timed dive kicks probably do well against him though, but that just means you can't spam it I guess.I think he can against Adam
IA lasers vs ivy is crazy goodProbably since IA lasers go over low lightning. Black magic sometimes has some weird air hitbox thing but probably the same thing. Well timed dive kicks probably do well against him though, but that just means you can't spam it I guess.
Yah me and tweedy play a lot its not awful for supes but darkseid tends to control the pace of the match.I'm glad Knicks agreed with me.
Idk if Darkseid is top 10 and I think Superman is #5 right now. I'm definitely not downplaying Superman or upplaying Darkseid. He just doesn't out neutral Darkseid because Darkseid doesn't have to play his game.
I've played long sets with Knicks and I don't just get my back blown out and he doesn't either. We've both fleshed out the match up. Superman doesn't get destroyed but it's not as simple as just out neutraling Darkseid from f23 range because Darkseid can and will play outside of f23 range.
I think darkseid loses imo.also is it just me or does the swamp thing mu play completely different now
i lost on ranked to a swamp thing and i was like what the heck just happened?I think darkseid loses imo.
It was probs like 6-4, 5-5 post patch, if swampy knew the mu. Now swampthing gets in for free, gets out neutched, and log is dumb darkseid gets fucked now imo/i lost on ranked to a swamp thing and i was like what the heck just happened?
his new slide extension thing plus his general safety now really helps him shut down darkseids zoning. prior to the buffs I thought darkseid won almost 7-3 but now I dont really see darkseid keeping swamp thing out and doing much to stop him.