They should probably focus on nerfing her mom than her, Sonya is literal hell to play against. Cassie is honest.sniff sniff. Mmmmmmh delicious.. smells like nerfs
They should probably focus on nerfing her mom than her, Sonya is literal hell to play against. Cassie is honest.sniff sniff. Mmmmmmh delicious.. smells like nerfs
The problem isn’t the top tiers it’s just they need to buff some characters. Top tiers are not broke or OP. There are just some characters that need some loveThey should probably focus on nerfing her mom than her, Sonya is literal hell to play against. Cassie is honest.
That smelly smell? That smelly smell that smells..SSMMEELLYYY.Do you guys smell that?
I'm confused but intrigued.That smelly smell? That smelly smell that smells..SSMMEELLYYY.
She needs meter to do any real damage. Her meterless damage at midscreen and in the corner is not good. Without it, you're doing maybe mid-20% at the max.As a Cassie player, I'd like to ask why some of you think she's an honest character. I'm not attacking, I'm just curious because I personally disagree. Digital soldier, at least.
This.She needs meter to do any real damage. Her meterless damage at midscreen and in the corner is not good. Without it, you're doing maybe mid-20% at the max.
What’s dishonest about her. She’s a great character but nothing really OP. She’s great but honest. Now if she was the character she is and had a 50/50 I would agree.As a Cassie player, I'd like to ask why some of you think she's an honest character. I'm not attacking, I'm just curious because I personally disagree. Digital soldier, at least.
Yes but I really feel this game is not as combo heavy as past NRS titles and that this game is a lot of 10%-20% combos. I mean there's characters like Jade, Kang, Cmd grab Baraka, Cetrion really only gets big damage on KB, Jax, and so on. Now don't get me wrong, there's also Noob and Sonya that have big damage, but this isn't mk9 where every character has a 30%-50% combo. I don't see how her getting mid 20s is such a weakness. Especially with such dominant footsie tools that allow more opportunities to hit confirm into damage.She needs meter to do any real damage. Her meterless damage at midscreen and in the corner is not good. Without it, you're doing maybe mid-20% at the max.
But you can't take execution into account when talking about a characters tools. Sure you're more likely to drop combos, but that's on you not the character. She may not have mixups but her ground game is sooooo much more dominant than other characters. You don't need mixups when people have to respect her b2 and f2. People are afraid to move towards her, throw low shots onto that and people are afraid to even throw a projectile. B3 more than makes up for D2. In fact, I'd say B3 is a top 3 anti air in the game that leads to more damage then any D2 (besides KB) ever would. Her FB is bad, but can still be combo-ed into clutch damage. I still don't see what's wrong with her pokes. They're not Johnny cage good but they seem pretty standard to me. In fact her D4 usually catches people trying to shimmy in my experience. Maybe I'm just getting lucky.This.
Her combos are tricky so you bet your ass we worked for that damage. Her 'mixups' are very blockable and slow startup. Her D2 is trash, her FB is trash and practically can't be comboed unless you use a bar. She has good pressure but no good pokes so she relies on her b2 or f4 a lot for that, which is fine, characters shouldn't have great pokes and a 9 frame mid that's 0 on block.
But either way, Sonic is saying she has no weakness and no bad MUs so she's getting nerfed whether it's deserved or not.
Well the only thing about her I can think of that is truly dominant is her footsies and her B3 anti-air. But it's not just those two things that make her dirty in my opinion. It's the combination of her tools that people seem to forget that makes her dirty. Sonya is the only character who still plays 50/50 MKX, so not having 50/50s into full combos is not a bad thing in this game, it's fine and balanced. She has top 3 footsies (b2, f2, f4), top 3 anti air (b3), low profiling projectile, getting out of the corner for free with amp upkick (hell, amp upkick being safe in general), potential to interrupt string gaps with nut kick, +4 restand on airborne targets, good walk speed, air shots is a great check and it even has an amp to check your opponent afterwards. These are just a few things that come to mind.What’s dishonest about her. She’s a great character but nothing really OP. She’s great but honest. Now if she was the character she is and had a 50/50 I would agree.
What is the exact dirt of Cassie?Incoming novel.
Yes but I really feel this game is not as combo heavy as past NRS titles and that this game is a lot of 10%-20% combos. I mean there's characters like Jade, Kang, Cmd grab Baraka, Cetrion really only gets big damage on KB, Jax, and so on. Now don't get me wrong, there's also Noob and Sonya that have big damage, but this isn't mk9 where every character has a 30%-50% combo. I don't see how her getting mid 20s is such a weakness. Especially with such dominant footsie tools that allow more opportunities to hit confirm into damage.
But you can't take execution into account when talking about a characters tools. Sure you're more likely to drop combos, but that's on you not the character. She may not have mixups but her ground game is sooooo much more dominant than other characters. You don't need mixups when people have to respect her b2 and f2. People are afraid to move towards her, throw low shots onto that and people are afraid to even throw a projectile. B3 more than makes up for D2. In fact, I'd say B3 is a top 3 anti air in the game that leads to more damage then any D2 (besides KB) ever would. Her FB is bad, but can still be combo-ed into clutch damage. I still don't see what's wrong with her pokes. They're not Johnny cage good but they seem pretty standard to me. In fact her D4 usually catches people trying to shimmy in my experience. Maybe I'm just getting lucky.
Well the only thing about her I can think of that is truly dominant is her footsies and her B3 anti-air. But it's not just those two things that make her dirty in my opinion. It's the combination of her tools that people seem to forget that makes her dirty. Sonya is the only character who still plays 50/50 MKX, so not having 50/50s into full combos is not a bad thing in this game, it's fine and balanced. She has top 3 footsies (b2, f2, f4), top 3 anti air (b3), low profiling projectile, getting out of the corner for free with amp upkick (hell, amp upkick being safe in general), potential to interrupt string gaps with nut kick, +4 restand on airborne targets, good walk speed, air shots is a great check and it even has an amp to check your opponent afterwards. These are just a few things that come to mind.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think she's broke by any means and I think she might even have a few bad match-ups. But if her FB (still hit confirmable) and her D2 (b3!!), are the only things about her that are truly bad then how is this an honest character? How can you look at supposively mid-tier characters like Kitana, Kang, and Raiden (who I believe are well balanced and honest) and think that Cassie is honest?
I get that I'm no pro and that the game is still very young and it's tough to see where the meta will go from here, I'm just trying to have a friendly debate and see if I'm really missing something here. I'd actually like to be proven wrong, tbh.
I agree she has all the tools to deal with all situations. She plays MK11 great. I look at it as she’s not broke some characters just need to buffs. I feel like everyone should be where Cassie is at. You would have an amazing footsie game. I also agree her damage is balanced. If she has 400 damage combos she would be broke as hell. Her damage is fine for how good she is at landing hits. Like I said she plays footsies well, that doesn’t mean she broke. There’s not a single thing OP about her, she just better than most the cast. The reason I use yaas queen is cause she all footsies in the veriation. You need one or 2 things about Cassie’s footsies she goes to mid tierIncoming novel.
Yes but I really feel this game is not as combo heavy as past NRS titles and that this game is a lot of 10%-20% combos. I mean there's characters like Jade, Kang, Cmd grab Baraka, Cetrion really only gets big damage on KB, Jax, and so on. Now don't get me wrong, there's also Noob and Sonya that have big damage, but this isn't mk9 where every character has a 30%-50% combo. I don't see how her getting mid 20s is such a weakness. Especially with such dominant footsie tools that allow more opportunities to hit confirm into damage.
But you can't take execution into account when talking about a characters tools. Sure you're more likely to drop combos, but that's on you not the character. She may not have mixups but her ground game is sooooo much more dominant than other characters. You don't need mixups when people have to respect her b2 and f2. People are afraid to move towards her, throw low shots onto that and people are afraid to even throw a projectile. B3 more than makes up for D2. In fact, I'd say B3 is a top 3 anti air in the game that leads to more damage then any D2 (besides KB) ever would. Her FB is bad, but can still be combo-ed into clutch damage. I still don't see what's wrong with her pokes. They're not Johnny cage good but they seem pretty standard to me. In fact her D4 usually catches people trying to shimmy in my experience. Maybe I'm just getting lucky.
Well the only thing about her I can think of that is truly dominant is her footsies and her B3 anti-air. But it's not just those two things that make her dirty in my opinion. It's the combination of her tools that people seem to forget that makes her dirty. Sonya is the only character who still plays 50/50 MKX, so not having 50/50s into full combos is not a bad thing in this game, it's fine and balanced. She has top 3 footsies (b2, f2, f4), top 3 anti air (b3), low profiling projectile, getting out of the corner for free with amp upkick (hell, amp upkick being safe in general), potential to interrupt string gaps with nut kick, +4 restand on airborne targets, good walk speed, air shots is a great check and it even has an amp to check your opponent afterwards. These are just a few things that come to mind.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think she's broke by any means and I think she might even have a few bad match-ups. But if her FB (still hit confirmable) and her D2 (b3!!), are the only things about her that are truly bad then how is this an honest character? How can you look at supposively mid-tier characters like Kitana, Kang, and Raiden (who I believe are well balanced and honest) and think that Cassie is honest?
I get that I'm no pro and that the game is still very young and it's tough to see where the meta will go from here, I'm just trying to have a friendly debate and see if I'm really missing something here. I'd actually like to be proven wrong, tbh.
Fuck no low gunshot is already the best projectile in the game it shouldn‘t be even better than it already is.I wish her low gunshot would actually hit low and not mid
When I first saw Cassie against me I thought WTF she had F41/F4xxDB1 AMP 50/50 lol. She would be Sonya 2.0 with that + F4 stagger lol.Fuck no low gunshot is already the best projectile in the game it shouldn‘t be even better than it already is.
Honest...Ly braindead.They should probably focus on nerfing her mom than her, Sonya is literal hell to play against. Cassie is honest.
yup it just would be too much. right now she already dominates almost everyone fullscreen and it's proabably going to be nerfed next patch, it really doesn't need to be low lolWhen I first saw Cassie against me I thought WTF she had F41/F4xxDB1 AMP 50/50 lol. She would be Sonya 2.0 with that + F4 stagger lol.
her dirt is that she has amazing zoning and amazing neutral like I said earlier, she's in a similiar spot like sonya without the mix but with better neutral and I don't think anyone here doesn't already know that so calm down.Cassie is the best character, free. Shes dirty because her 9f mid(Fastest nonpoke mid in game, albeit a tie) is 0 on block, making it a great stagger, goes into overhead, easily hit confirmable, and on top of that, leads to a restand that is +4ish. She opens you up and stops playing mk11. Its oppressive to combine that offense with the best projectile in the game. Is she Op? Idk really, but if she isnt, no one is. 50/50s dont make a character good. Sub has one and he is ass. You guys fundamentally misunderstand character strength if you cant see her dirt. F4 and shimy. Have an option that shuts down all your opponents options with no risk? Thats dirty.
I mean, F41 is also easily blockable. You can talk about how great a move is in a game, but if your opponent can easily block it then you still have to play neutral to open them up and punish their mistakes with it. And if they have meter they're getting out of that combo.Cassie is the best character, free. Shes dirty because her 9f mid(Fastest nonpoke mid in game, albeit a tie) is 0 on block, making it a great stagger, goes into overhead, easily hit confirmable, and on top of that, leads to a restand that is +4ish. She opens you up and stops playing mk11. Its oppressive to combine that offense with the best projectile in the game. Is she Op? Idk really, but if she isnt, no one is. 50/50s dont make a character good. Sub has one and he is ass. You guys fundamentally misunderstand character strength if you cant see her dirt. F4 and shimy. Have an option that shuts down all your opponents options with no risk? Thats dirty.
Aww yes, the good old days.@Vslayer , Remember in the beginning of Mk11, when only 5-7 of us played Cassie? Lmao
Easily blockable? Okay, but what do I get for blocking it? Every move except 2 are blockable. Correct me if Im wrong, but Cassie has the only neutral on block mid that leads to full damage and restand that effectively makes the move a 5 frame mid. You arent playing neutral with that move, youre bypassing it. the reward HEAVILY outweighs the risk.I mean, F41 is also easily blockable. You can talk about how great a move is in a game, but if your opponent can easily block it then you still have to play neutral to open them up and punish their mistakes with it.
Oh so like, Sonya's 50/50s that leads to 40% damage? Indeed.Easily blockable? Okay, but what do I get for blocking it? Every move except 2 are blockable. Correct me if Im wrong, but Cassie has the only neutral on block mid that leads to full damage and restand that effectively makes the move a 5 frame mid. You arent playing neutral with that move, youre bypassing it. the reward HEAVILY outweighs the risk.
You're not average, you have a better understanding of playing footsies and neutral that I do. she's not easy to play, that's false you need to do a lot whiff punishing with her and can't just throw F41 against good players and blow them up every time it won't work, she requires you to play footsies, saying she doesn't is dishonest.I play more than 2/3s of the roster, @Vslayer , you know this. Im at least average at the game. I also heavily follow and involve myself wity the competitive scene and hear others opinions. I play against her and with her regularly and have thoroughly labbed her mu vs many characters. Idk about calling things in a new game broken or op, but she is the best character, very easy to play, and requires little thought from most ranges. Why not f4? Why not low gunshot?
She’s not dirty, also a lot of characters can low profile F4. Having on stagger that’s 0 on block is not dirty. Every character in the game can stop the stagger by hitting a button. It’s not different than any other stagger. That’s fighting games I do one option you do this option. Nothing is dirty about F4. Is it the best mid in the game, I would say so. Does not mean it’s dirty, if someone goes to stagger you hit them out of it. Sub also doesn’t have a 50/50 cause you can react to the overhead.Cassie is the best character, free. Shes dirty because her 9f mid(Fastest nonpoke mid in game, albeit a tie) is 0 on block, making it a great stagger, goes into overhead, easily hit confirmable, and on top of that, leads to a restand that is +4ish. She opens you up and stops playing mk11. Its oppressive to combine that offense with the best projectile in the game. Is she Op? Idk really, but if she isnt, no one is. 50/50s dont make a character good. Sub has one and he is ass. You guys fundamentally misunderstand character strength if you cant see her dirt. F4 and shimy. Have an option that shuts down all your opponents options with no risk? Thats dirty.