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vegeta

Saiyan Prince
What’s her “best” variant or is she one of the ones where it doesn’t matter? I’m about to go over this character today.
 
What’s her “best” variant or is she one of the ones where it doesn’t matter? I’m about to go over this character today.
For match up knowledge you can lab universal Cassie.
Variants: more zoning vs. more restand. Few different moves but same core.
 

BigMilk

Former Divine Power Abuser
So is DS more zoning vs the other being restand? Or are both kinda the same-ish in that concept?
Digital Soldier better neutral presence/zoning/counter zoning from low shot and air guns and better restand options from juggles
Yaas Queen get better unbreakable damage and fast advancing mid special w decent krushing blow
 
Digital Soldier better neutral presence/zoning/counter zoning from low shot and air guns and better restand options from juggles
Yaas Queen get better unbreakable damage and fast advancing mid special w decent krushing blow
What is the extra decent krushing blow she has? I did not realize it. Might bring my mood back to her (not really lol).

Ah I am fool I have read it. "Opponent must block late". I do not know what it is but I would never use this punishable move in neutral hoping for "late block".
How does it work in practice?
 

BigMilk

Former Divine Power Abuser
What is the extra decent krushing blow she has? I did not realize it. Might bring my mood back to her (not really lol).

Ah I am fool I have read it. "Opponent must block late". I do not know what it is but I would never use this punishable move in neutral hoping for "late block".
How does it work in practice?
Here is how I see the move and the meta ties to it. Yes it is punishable but I still find it worth using. When it’s spaced properly it feels much safer, almost unpunishable by a lot of characters and maintains good space after they block. The move starts up in 12 frames, same as jacqui dash punch, so it will catch people. If they attempt to block too late you get 33%. It has better range than her normals so she is more threatening at jump range and it’s a mid so they can’t neutral crouch as much to stuff F21+3.
 
Here is how I see the move and the meta ties to it. Yes it is punishable but I still find it worth using. When it’s spaced properly it feels much safer, almost unpunishable by a lot of characters and maintains good space after they block. The move starts up in 12 frames, same as jacqui dash punch, so it will catch people. If they attempt to block too late you get 33%. It has better range than her normals so she is more threatening at jump range and it’s a mid so they can’t neutral crouch as much to stuff F21+3.
Ahh so the negative frames on the move depends on the spacing like in case of catwoman's cat dash?
That's different perspective now. I will check it in the lab with the frame data sheet - it shows pretty well the frames even after a projectile etc.

How can you explain late block? Does the game register that after hit the opponent pressed the R2? I did not get it.
 
Foxy Grandpa and Dr Gross
Sonicfox's Cassie is not bad either - Sonicfox's anything is not bad either. Just you will not see too much tournament matches with it.
2 days ago I watched Sonicfox vs. Scar Cassie vs. Scorp it was a good set. That was when I saw that corner straight gun combo and realized its power.

RedRaptor plays Cassie too and I state him high level too (high enough to be worth watching it for learning and feeling the char).

I do not know how you guys play Cassie but I am sure I could learn from you too. :D
 

Dreamcatcher

EFL Founder
Sonicfox's Cassie is not bad either - Sonicfox's anything is not bad either. Just you will not see too much tournament matches with it.
2 days ago I watched Sonicfox vs. Scar Cassie vs. Scorp it was a good set. That was when I saw that corner straight gun combo and realized its power.

RedRaptor plays Cassie too and I state him high level too (high enough to be worth watching it for learning and feeling the char).

I do not know how you guys play Cassie but I am sure I could learn from you too. :D

I picked up a few things from just watching this set since Sonic used Yaas Queen. DS is EXTREMELY good, but the other variation is definitely viable.
 

sars

Noob
What’s her “best” variant or is she one of the ones where it doesn’t matter? I’m about to go over this character today.
I prefer yaas queen now. You have unbreakable damage, better corner game, great 12 frame punish that can punish from a little more than half screen away. Good for punishing centron and sandtrap to bring you back into neutral. Don’t think I’ll ever go back to digital soldier but I do agree kneecappin is very useful in digital soldier, and some matchups I miss it
 

lionheart21

Its Game Over, Man
I prefer yaas queen now. You have unbreakable damage, better corner game, great 12 frame punish that can punish from a little more than half screen away. Good for punishing centron and sandtrap to bring you back into neutral. Don’t think I’ll ever go back to digital soldier but I do agree kneecappin is very useful in digital soldier, and some matchups I miss it
Cassie lucked out by getting 2 solid variations that both improve the different styles that she can be played as.
 

BigMilk

Former Divine Power Abuser
Ahh so the negative frames on the move depends on the spacing like in case of catwoman's cat dash?
That's different perspective now. I will check it in the lab with the frame data sheet - it shows pretty well the frames even after a projectile etc.

How can you explain late block? Does the game register that after hit the opponent pressed the R2? I did not get it.
I don’t really understand how the game registers that either but all I know is it works, and it HURTS!!
I prefer yaas queen now. You have unbreakable damage, better corner game, great 12 frame punish that can punish from a little more than half screen away. Good for punishing centron and sandtrap to bring you back into neutral. Don’t think I’ll ever go back to digital soldier but I do agree kneecappin is very useful in digital soldier, and some matchups I miss it
Yea having that unbreakable damage is really nice.
 
I don’t really understand how the game registers that either but all I know is it works, and it HURTS!!

Yea having that unbreakable damage is really nice.
I just labbed it from max range it is "only" -11 and pushback is out of typical jab range and throw range so it can be safe.

And I realized that restand with shoulder charge is tricky as it is perfect B2 footsie range so opponent need respect the spacing... but yes it is rather back to strong neutral than pressure.

I prefer Digital Soldier now as a new Cassie player as it looks more versatile and balanced.

YS seems a specialist killer to me with solid straight forward game plan.
Currently it was less fun to me.

I am analyzing frame.data of projectile game it is nice to see.the different block/hit advantage based on the spacing. :)
 
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sars

Noob
Ahh so the negative frames on the move depends on the spacing like in case of catwoman's cat dash?
That's different perspective now. I will check it in the lab with the frame data sheet - it shows pretty well the frames even after a projectile etc.

How can you explain late block? Does the game register that after hit the opponent pressed the R2? I did not get it.
There’s a kollecter string that if you block both hits low it’s -9, if you block first hit low and second hit low it’s -10. If you block both standing it’s -11 lol.
 
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lionheart21

Its Game Over, Man
I just labbed it from max range it is "only" -11 and pushback is out of typical jab range and throw range so it can be safe.

And I realized that restand with shoulder charge is tricky as it is perfect B2 footsie range so opponent need respect the spacing... but yes it is rather back to strong neutral than pressure.

I prefer Digital Soldier now as a new Cassie player as it looks more versatile and balanced.

YS seems a specialist killer to me with solid straight forward game plan.
Currently it was less fun to me.

I am analyzing frame.data of projectile game it is nice to see.the different block/hit advantage based on the spacing. :)
Digital Soldier is my variation of choice because of that versatility, but as you said, Yaas Queen is good for facing opponents that don't seem to be able to do as well against a more aggressive playstyle (Geras for one seems to have an issue since his Sand Trap isn't as effective as it is against her Digital Soldier variation. Also why Johnny of all people seems to be one of his toughest matchups.)
 

GrimJack

Rock paper scissor specialist
Does anyone having problem keep getting db3 from couching when trying to anti air with b3? It happen to me so much today that I think I wanted to kill myself
 

sars

Noob
Does anyone having problem keep getting db3 from couching when trying to anti air with b3? It happen to me so much today that I think I wanted to kill myself
If your input window is long it holds the input longer so change it to short. Or join the yaas queen club.
 
I got BF4 input many times after walk back F4 lol. Changed to Medium and it almost solved.
I do not like short as my BF inputs are my weakness so I rather let me give more time to do it properly.