For now check the guide. It's the cleanest and easiest way to get straight into her. Ignore the tech spreadsheet and tech thread here. Use the combos in the guide they are easy and damaging. I covered setup/damage/reset combos. Best thing to know is figure out how you want to play her. For damage,resets,or setups.
Hey, thank you!!! I made a playlist that kinda shows everything essential to her(imo and with some redundancy) as things stand right now(since coming to the conclusion that she has a legit vortex off 112 1+3 on almost the entire cast changed a lot for me):
So, apparently when I looked over the guide before, since I was sleep deprived and largely out of it.. I derped and didn't realize it literally answered my questions all ready for the most part.
Yeah but the point of ending off 112 1+3 is that the distance it leaves you at while also being +25 means you should be able to avoid autocorrect issues like that, and if not then you just need to make very slight adjustments. I'm personally finding j3 and j2 off 112 1+3 to be really consistent due to how easy it is to pull off though, since the timings are roughly the same for every character(as soon as you start going down from the peak of your jump), and any other timings are very simple(like taking a step or two forward before jumping). I'll do Robin specifically for you in a bit though and let you know, so I can say if it works 100% on him or not.
The key is actually the first J2. You connect that one late/on the way down. Then you'll hit the 2nd J2 on the way up. You'll land at nearly the same time as the opponent in perfect 1121+3 range.
I have had some lab time today and I am quite content with the outcome. I am still not convinced that 112 1+3 is the way to go. However I have found quite a few other hard knockdowns that provide plenty of plus frames on hit. Besides these set-ups leave you at a great range to follow up with j2/j3 (= they catch Superman's backdash and happen to be cross-ups against opponent that just stand up right away):
I dunno, I think you missed my post because we were prob making ours at the same time, but it's right above you. But basically I just posted, specifically, the 20 characters you get a guaranteed mixup on that loops(idk why I typed that/this instead of just saying vortex lul) off of 112 1+3, and likely adding 7 more characters to that list. Possibly even adding the last 3 chars after those 7 to the list, which would make it all 30 chars that get vortexed! I just have a really hard time justifying doing anything thats not 112 1+3(potentially d3 and/or 113 midscreen against very specific characters), and going to the corner seems even more suspect to me now that her midscreen game is looking even more ridiculous than before.I have had some lab time today and I am quite content with the outcome. I am still not convinced that 112 1+3 is the way to go. However I have found quite a few other hard knockdowns that provide plenty of plus frames on hit. Besides these set-ups leave you at a great range to follow up with j2/j3 (= they catch Superman's backdash and happen to be cross-ups against opponent that just stand up right away):
i.) 11-db2 (mb), b3, j2, j1, d3.
ii.) 11-db2 (mb), b3, j2, d2-df3, 33-df3.
iii.) 11-db2 (mb), b3, j2, walk forward, d2-df3-d3.
All these setups provide pretty similar damage. However only some of them change sides, so if you like to have your opponent towards the corner (like I do), you might want to vary.
Besides a level 1 trait on an airborne opponent provides plenty of plusframes too. It can be tech-rolled though. I did:
iv.) Trait (level 3), dash, j2, 11~db2 (mb), b3, j2, j2, 11-trait.
I haven't tested how these setups work against wake-ups though. I am positive that they might be no worse than 112 1+3. However plenty of cartwheels (see setup no ii.) might mess with wake-up inputs.
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Besides I suggest that you look up my new combo in the other thread. I guess, most of you don't even know that you can do bf2 (mb) and hold forward to do a cross-up. I was surprised myself when this happened to me by accident. This leads to optimized damage and many new mix-up options, especially with j3 (that hits behind Black Canary).
So this is a lot of new stuff and I am excited where we go from here...
I'd be down. We could call it "Crimson Burning Canary Sundays".
I drives me up the wall when I whiff a D3 on a flying character. Especially something like Adam's F1 whatever string. You whiff, and you get to sit there and watch them whiff a string you could have gotten a hit off of
What moves do that tho? I wasn't aware there were any in the game.
You mean absorb.
I think only the meter burn icicle of Captain Cold stops projectiles.
That's part of the change too.
