To be fair, if his opinion was that Grodd is good and he's said it before, then this thread is discrediting his opinion, without any explanation, and after he said it here the only response you really gave him is that he's worse than the players who made it.
We've literally had this discussion multiple times and it's basically ended like this every time.
Tldr for past threads/comments; I and (probably
@Wigy ) both agree that Grodd's potential to do things in the neutral is super limited and therefore prevents him to actually get his shit started. As I've said in this thread and others, I've yet to see a Grodd who has convinced me otherwise.
Note this doesn't mean I'm saying there aren't any good Grodds.
What I'm saying is that in every single winning post-patch Grodd match I've seen, played, or played against, it's been the opponent either having lacking MU knowledge or them making careless mistakes and getting punished for it. His stampede cancels are not as good as they were on release, where they were actually terrifying to fight against since basically if you didn't have someone tell you what their frames were then GG you'll never know unless you want to spend MULTIPLE months learning the cancels yourself. Now he still has some plus ones, his gaps are mostly gone, and they do work as a negative stagger pressure thing, but I personally don't see it being enough.
Not even including his horrendous matchups like Aquaman, or, my recent opinion, Robin. Strong poking options, strong footsies, strong anti-airs, decent zoning (in the case of Aqua), and all-round strong defensive characters do significantly better against him.
Not much of a tldr; but I posted it because I like to share my opinion and, as I've also said multiple times, hope I get proven wrong.
