Match-up Discussion Johnny Cage Mu chart

[YOMI MITYEAP]

Maxter goes to Maxter when it's clutch? That's cool lol
No but seriously tho, Curbo beat DJT at EVO Sub vs Cage, so he almost knows what he is talking about when it comes to this matchup

lol said that wrong bro haha, and denzell 3 0'd him at anaheim..... beat his kabal and cage, curbo only won 2 1. So DJT is ahead all time vs curbo 4-2. He def doesn't know liu kang as well as me. Also i'm surprised no one from Ohio went to NEC, would've been nice to see some of yall out there. Either way, I'm going to settle this with curbo one way or another.

 

[ForeverKing]

lol said that wrong bro haha, and denzell 3 0'd him at anaheim..... beat his kabal and cage, curbo only won 2 1. So DJT is ahead all time vs curbo 4-2. He def doesn't know liu kang as well as me. Also i'm surprised no one from Ohio went to NEC, would've been nice to see some of yall out there. Either way, I'm going to settle this with curbo one way or another.

I beat Curbo's Cage with Sub Zero sometimes and make him mad lol. I personally think it's an even matchup tho, both people have to play equally patient. If Sub gets Cage in the corner than yeah it sucks, but if Cage gets Sub in the corner than it sucks for him as well. And if Cage has the life lead, he can just sit there and let Sub spam ice balls and ice clones until the timer runs out and it won't matter because Sub can't take chip damage with any of his specials. Subby will be forced to chase Cage if Cage has the life lead. Cage can build meter by whiffing nutpunches under iceballs. Also Sub's 212 and 214 strings can be interrupted with Cage's EX nutpunch

5-5 even matchup

But yeah M2dave couldn't go to NEC because college and I couldn't go because my I couldn't get a ride and I was planning on going with one of the CoCo people and none of them went. Perfect Legend couldn't go because idk

 

[Axel_Redd]

Kung vs cage is 5-5 just cuz lolololololol

 

[Skitzo]

how does 11f1 work as a frame trap...i mean what is safe for cage to do after that and what can the opponent do to escape?

It's +3 = a free f3. You can armor out of course

 

[Axel_Redd]

It's +3 = a free f3. You can armor out of course

oh, ok thx

i'll agree that cage vs Kung is 6-4, but that only means a small advantage....you forgot kungs d1 and if he didn't want to chance a spin, he could always ex tele in response to counter a block string.

 

[Skitzo]

oh, ok thx

i'll agree that cage vs Kung is 6-4, but that only means a small advantage....you forgot kungs d1 and if he didn't want to chance a spin, he could always ex tele in response to counter a block string.

d1 is full combo punishable & is easy to read. Even if you manage to d1 him, good luck starting your pressure against his small hitbox lol spin is also risky. EX tele is so slow, everyone walks away from it

 

[Axel_Redd]

d1 is full combo punishable & is easy to read. Even if you manage to d1 him, good luck starting your pressure against his small hitbox lol spin is also risky. EX tele is so slow, everyone walks away from it lol

yes but its still a ticket out of his pressure, and i wouldn't start pressure with d1, id back away after. i have never used his d1 to initiate pressure, only to poke out and as an anti air. also if its a good cage whos gonna bait pokes, u can just go up and throw him after throwing say a d1. Altho i really wish kung lao's d3 was 6 frames :/

kung is still top 5 ;D Still S tier

 

[YOMI DJT]

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I don't agree. Ermac's zoning is quite a different kind of zoning. Remember than 1 guess and a throw sends you back to fullscreen. Also, I repeat, Ermac's raw damage is fearsome against Cage. Also, Cage can't use frametraps because they whiff like with reptile.

On a sidenote, I think people are underrating Ermac's upclose game.

ermac is raped by cage 7-3 unless the mac plays perfect cage wins pretty easy

 

[Owerbart]

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ermac is raped by cage 7-3 unless the mac plays perfect cage wins pretty easy

I don't think so.

Ironically, today at a tournament my opponent went directly to Ermac, and because I'm not a big fan of mirror matches, I picked Cage. 2-0 for me, but still I don't think we were in the same level though.

 

[Owerbart]

you said kenshi was all zoning and ermac isnt... im saying kenshi has way more than ermac in departments not considered zoning

In a closeup fight and mix-up department Ermac has better tools than Kenshi.

 

[YOMI DJT]

macs only option vs cage and jump and run away but his zoning just isn't that good. cage will get in. if mac misses his iagb one time cage can get in. all macs pokes are punishable on block besides d4 but mac cant use that to get out. big hitbox. cage just has to be patient vs mac and he will win. mac zoning isn't strong enough. his offense means nothing vs cage. the only offense mac can start vs cage is throw. mac just isn't as good in this mu without his old forcepush. i think it was even back then, now cage wins 6-4

 

[YOMI DJT]

In a closeup fight and mix-up department Ermac has better tools than Kenshi.

ermac mixups aren't as good as kenshi imo

 

[YOMI DJT]

I beat Curbo's Cage with Sub Zero sometimes and make him mad lol. I personally think it's an even matchup tho, both people have to play equally patient. If Sub gets Cage in the corner than yeah it sucks, but if Cage gets Sub in the corner than it sucks for him as well. And if Cage has the life lead, he can just sit there and let Sub spam ice balls and ice clones until the timer runs out and it won't matter because Sub can't take chip damage with any of his specials. Subby will be forced to chase Cage if Cage has the life lead. Cage can build meter by whiffing nutpunches under iceballs. Also Sub's 212 and 214 strings can be interrupted with Cage's EX nutpunch

5-5 even matchup

But yeah M2dave couldn't go to NEC because college and I couldn't go because my I couldn't get a ride and I was planning on going with one of the CoCo people and none of them went. Perfect Legend couldn't go because idk

214 isn't interuptible by exnutpunch but 212 is and sub vs cage will remain 6-4 no matter how much any other cage thinks its 5-5

 

[Owerbart]

macs only option vs cage and jump and run away but his zoning just isn't that good. cage will get in. if mac misses his iagb one time cage can get in. all macs pokes are punishable on block besides d4 but mac cant use that to get out. big hitbox. cage just has to be patient vs mac and he will win. mac zoning isn't strong enough. his offense means nothing vs cage. the only offense mac can start vs cage is throw. mac just isn't as good in this mu without his old forcepush. i think it was even back then, now cage wins 6-4

I think you are understimating Ermac's zoning. I explained in some previous post how the matchup should be played IMO. I'm going to throw max range tkp only, and at full distance I'll keep throwing balls. Remember than my throw sends you back to square 1. Also Cage should really save his meter for breaker because one error and you are eating 48 and max range again. I guess you won't convince me and I won't convince you. I may travel to NY in march (for work) but maybe we could arrange something.

 

[Playpal]

214 clone and 224 clone are very risky against people with fast moving armor attacks. JC can ex shadow kick through both options. I've got this MU 5-5

I'm also heavily biased against sz. If I made a MU chart for him he'd probably lose against half the cast.

 

[YOMI DJT]

I think you are understimating Ermac's zoning. I explained in some previous post how the matchup should be played IMO. I'm going to throw max range tkp only, and at full distance I'll keep throwing balls. Remember than my throw sends you back to square 1. Also Cage should really save his meter for breaker because one error and you are eating 48 and max range again. I guess you won't convince me and I won't convince you. I may travel to NY in march (for work) but maybe we could arrange something.

my bro use to main mac so i know the mu well. i duck all the projectiles on reaction and take no uneccessary chip. just got to watch for tkp and punish accordingly. iagb can't be spammed because if it is whiffed cage gets in for free pressure. grabs are good but not good enough to keep this mu even. i still think cage wins it 6-4 minimum. imo its a 7-3. i know mac too well i even know how to play mac. cage vs mac is easy for cage imo

 

[YOMI DJT]

214 clone and 224 clone are very risky against people with fast moving armor attacks. JC can ex shadow kick through both options. I've got this MU 5-5

I'm also heavily biased against sz. If I made a MU chart for him he'd probably lose against half the cast.

that's fine but sub beats cage. and if sub gets cage in the corner its like 7-3. cage gets sub in the corner its like 6-4. sub corner game is way more superior than cage. and are there any good subs in canada? cage cant trade and cant throw fireballs or sub can slide on reaction. sub wins it. cage can make it look like a 5-5 but it's 6-4 sub. sub with that clone can't just get in super easy. that 8f d4 with good range too.

 

[Owerbart]

my bro use to main mac so i know the mu well. i duck all the projectiles on reaction and take no uneccessary chip. just got to watch for tkp and punish accordingly. iagb can't be spammed because if it is whiffed cage gets in for free pressure. grabs are good but not good enough to keep this mu even. i still think cage wins it 6-4 minimum. imo its a 7-3. i know mac too well i even know how to play mac. cage vs mac is easy for cage imo

If you keep ducking ermac's fireballs without blocking eventually you are going to eat a tkp. If i see you are not blocking, then I'll add more tkp to my zoning. Also I can get proper space with well timed iafbs and f2. Once you respect the push and keep blockdashing towards me, I can check you with an f4 or throw.

 

[YOMI DJT]

If you keep ducking ermac's fireballs without blocking eventually you are going to eat a tkp. If i see you are not blocking, then I'll add more tkp to my zoning. Also I can get proper space with well timed iafbs and f2. Once you respect the push and keep blockdashing towards me, I can check you with an f4 or throw.

i can duck all projectiles and block immediately because doesn't recover that fast to tkp me. johnny can keep ducking and blocking tkp won't take much chip. mac doing f4 won't do anything I just block that and pressure. jc is superior to mac on the ground mac will jump eventually. if not johnny will get in. d3 helps alot in this mu. johnny wins it 6-4. mac zoning not good enough to make it even. johnny destroys mac upclose. mac isn't even decent upclose. i know mac too well. johnny wins it 6-4 minimum. mac is horrible now.

 

[Peckapowa]

In a closeup fight and mix-up department Ermac has better tools than Kenshi.

this is the most wrong statement ive ever head...

 

[ForeverKing]

214 isn't interuptible by exnutpunch but 212 is and sub vs cage will remain 6-4 no matter how much any other cage thinks its 5-5

With all the reasons I named I think it's enough to make it 5-5. One of the main things is if Cage has the life lead he can sit there and wait all day for Sub to come to him, and that's exactly what Sub doesn't want to do. Sub can't take chip damage by zoning so he has to come in on Cage, and that's exactly what Cage wants

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

With all the reasons I named I think it's enough to make it 5-5. One of the main things is if Cage has the life lead he can sit there and wait all day for Sub to come to him, and that's exactly what Sub doesn't want to do. Sub can't take chip damage by zoning so he has to come in on Cage, and that's exactly what Cage wants

i will say this, cage isn't zoning sub at all haha, sub can zone him and rush him down. Tom Brady agrees with 6-4 as well, denzell/tom top 2 subs, i'm pretty sure they know what they're talking about. If that's not a good enough case, then I dnt know what to say then haha. Anyways, u cool with cage lao being cage favor i'm sure right?

 

[sub_on_dubs]

Let me simplify this. Cage beats everyone except for Kabal and Kenshi. This thread can now be closed. Peace peoples.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

Let me simplify this. Cage beats everyone except for Kabal and Kenshi. This thread can now be closed. Peace peoples.

bruh stop trolling lmao, he dnt beat sonya, freddy, sub, liu, cyrax, need i say more he goes even with/ loses to?

 

[ForeverKing]

i will say this, cage isn't zoning sub at all haha, sub can zone him and rush him down. Tom Brady agrees with 5-5 as well, denzell/tom top 2 subs, i'm pretty sure they know what they're talking about. If that's not a good enough case, then I dnt know what to say then haha. Anyways, u cool with cage lao being cage favor i'm sure right?

I'm saying the Sub-Zero vs Cage matchup is 5-5, so me and Tom Brady are on the same page than lol. And yeah I think Cage beats Kung Lao