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Raiden Video: Blowing up the invincible teleport and interrupting strings

G4S Claude VonStroke

@MK_ClaudeVS on twitter
Even so, online matches aren't going to prove anything.
Alright but i played him offline. As did perfect legend and justin wong. All of us used Raiden and all of us got bodied. Now I might not be as good as you or PL but there fact that pl and J wong got bodied was eye opening. Curbo makes that match look literally impossible. J wong got flawlessed 3 times.
 

B W1zZ

Noob
Alright but i played him offline. As did perfect legend and justin wong. All of us used Raiden and all of us got bodied. Now I might not be as good as you or PL but there fact that pl and J wong got bodied was eye opening. Curbo makes that match look literally impossible. J wong got flawlessed 3 times.
Well for one Jwong doesn't play MK that much, and I don't really view PL as a complete Raiden.
 

GuamoKun

I Break Hearts, Not Combos
I think CSZ's parry has a 10 frame start-up (at least that's what Altaire said) and it is much more punishable than the teleport. It is also vulnerable to low attacks and doesn't have nearly as many mind games attached to it. Raiden can't be zoned, he can escape rushdown and he can turtle unlike any character. Plus his only bad match is CSZ and it isn't unwinnable. You cannot say the same for CSZ.
CSZ's parry 10 frames?

Either you misquoted Altaire or Altaire has no idea what he is talking about. Maybe he meant a 10 frame duration?

It can parry attacks that are not "true lows" Sindel's b1 is a low but it can be parried. But other than that the mind games are not as strong but that doesn't imply that the parry isn't a useful tool.

Anyways, I think people can agree that Raiden, like any other character, can't be played in a flow-chart manner.
 

G4S Claude VonStroke

@MK_ClaudeVS on twitter
After MLG and going to VSM a lot and going over different match ups with the CD bros my new Tier list is something like this..

Kabal
Cage
Kenshi
Sonya
Smoke
Kitana
Freddy
Jax
Sektor
Mileena
Cyrax
Kung Lao
Raiden
Reptile
Shang Tsung
Quan Chi
Liu Kang
Ermac
Cyber Sub
Kano
Noob Saibot
Nightwolf
Sub Zero
Baraka
Scorpion
Stryker
Sindel
Skarlet
Rain
Sheeva
Jade
 

G4S Claude VonStroke

@MK_ClaudeVS on twitter
After MLG and going to VSM a lot and going over different match ups with the CD bros my new Tier list is something like this..

Kabal
Cage
Kenshi
Sonya
Smoke
Kitana
Freddy
Jax
Sektor
Mileena
Cyrax
Kung Lao
Raiden
Reptile
Shang Tsung
Quan Chi
Liu Kang
Ermac
Cyber Sub
Kano
Noob Saibot
Nightwolf
Sub Zero
Baraka
Scorpion
Stryker
Sindel
Skarlet
Rain
Sheeva
Jade

Maxter CD jr CRAZY DOMINICAN thoughts on my placement of Raiden?
 

CURBOLICOUS

Cage ban wagon?
Well in that case Maxter and I are at a disagreement. Raiden is a great character, and I feel he just doesn't want to push him beyond. Saying Raiden is out of the top 10 is just laughable. I haven't had the pleasure of playing against Maxter or Curbo's cage but cage doesn't really scare me. Cage = 5-5, Sonya a possible 5.5/4.5 in Sonya's favor but even for the most part. CSZ is 5-5.
If your not scared of that matchup then I have no clue who you play. Raiden is prolly bottom 15. His strings are slow, you can armor and with certain characters use specials to interrupt his normals. Raiden has no way of getting out except his teleport which isn't that great. Theres no way you can tell me Johnny Cage goes 5-5 with raiden.
 

B W1zZ

Noob
If your not scared of that matchup then I have no clue who you play. Raiden is prolly bottom 15. His strings are slow, you can armor and with certain characters use specials to interrupt his normals. Raiden has no way of getting out except his teleport which isn't that great. Theres no way you can tell me Johnny Cage goes 5-5 with raiden.
Raiden bottom 15? Really? And you call me crazy. 121 has a 9 frame startup which really isn't a slow string. He has uninterruptible options instead of using B312 or 334, and his B3 has great range. He can en shocker out of cages frame traps for 31%. Raiden goes 5-5 with Cage, period. Cage has problems when Raiden has the life lead. You obviously haven't played a good Raiden offline with cage, or at least one that knows the matchup.
 

Under_The_Mayo

Master of Quanculations
Tier list is pointless. My question to you is, what character are you playing?
I liked your comment on the podcast, about Kenshi Lao being an interesting idea for a team. That's actually my team. Kenshi primary, then Lao and Kitana. I feel I'm covered.
 

eskuAdradit0

"Thanks" button abuser.
Problem with tier lists in this game is that every character has a different collision box. It makes it SO inconsistent.
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
If your not scared of that matchup then I have no clue who you play. Raiden is prolly bottom 15. His strings are slow, you can armor and with certain characters use specials to interrupt his normals. Raiden has no way of getting out except his teleport which isn't that great. Theres no way you can tell me Johnny Cage goes 5-5 with raiden.
You use Cage against Raiden. Cage does very well vs Raiden. Try using a zoning character. You'll find out how annoying the teleport really is. I do think Raiden is top ten. You have to keep in mind that not every character can pressure Raiden to the extent that Cage can.
 

B W1zZ

Noob
You use Cage against Raiden. Cage does very well vs Raiden. Try using a zoning character. You'll find out how annoying the teleport really is. I do think Raiden is top ten. You have to keep in mind that not every character can pressure Raiden to the extent that Cage can.
The fact that people are even questioning Raiden being top 10 is a joke in my opinion. I still think he's top 5.
 

CURBOLICOUS

Cage ban wagon?
You use Cage against Raiden. Cage does very well vs Raiden. Try using a zoning character. You'll find out how annoying the teleport really is. I do think Raiden is top ten. You have to keep in mind that not every character can pressure Raiden to the extent that Cage can.
That is true but raiden can't really do anything against people who turtle him. Raiden just seems like he has so many limited options.
 

CURBOLICOUS

Cage ban wagon?
The fact that people are even questioning Raiden being top 10 is a joke in my opinion. I still think he's top 5.
It's not a joke man I'm not trying to diss your character when I say this but raiden is soooo limited with everything his teleport and his other strings won't give him the win. I know my raiden matchup very well and I will not lose to any raiden, you can take my word for it. If both of us go to the next MLG I'll show you why raiden gets murdered by cage. I dare you do your ex shocker or teleport in between my pressures, gaurentee you will have second thoughts of using them.
 

B W1zZ

Noob
It's not a joke man I'm not trying to diss your character when I say this but raiden is soooo limited with everything his teleport and his other strings won't give him the win. I know my raiden matchup very well and I will not lose to any raiden, you can take my word for it. If both of us go to the next MLG I'll show you why raiden gets murdered by cage. I dare you do your ex shocker or teleport in between my pressures, gaurentee you will have second thoughts of using them.
I guarantee I'll be unlike any other Raiden you've played. I'm hoping I do go to the next MLG and I look forward to playing you. If you think your going to auto correct F3 me all day you're sorely mistaken.