The hate for the MK community

[RagingNight]

And how does that has anything to do with the SF franchise? I still expect apologies, at least for hiding your true intentions behind your last post.

Since I've first joined this forums, I've been called out by my opinions many times, Ive even been offended a couple of them. No moderators came to call those guys out. Nor did I bitch to the team because of it.

Also, I didn't call him out for his opinion, but for being in a forum almost completely dedicated to the MK series only to compare it to Capcom's games, and if I remember right, I'm not the first one. That's not an opinion, thats an action. If from now on the moderators are caring about call outs (Not offenses, you didn't say a thing about those and I rarely see mods doing something about it, but I guess calling out is a way more severe infraction, I can deal with that), you could've PM'ed me.

And if not giving infractions after giving a joke of a reason for it (I mean your other post) is your idea of not being an asshole, we have a completely thoughts on this.

You do realize I wasn't the first to bring up SF nor was I the first to make a comparison between the two series right? And that making a comparison when discussing MLG sponsoring fighting games is totally on topic and legitimate right? I didn't even hint that MK was a bad game or that SF was a better game. I said that MK is behind SF in certain fields outside of the game and this is true. What am I not suppose to mention bad things about MK? LOL

I mainly post in forums about other games and their gameplay because I am more knowledgeable about those games than MK. Why post about MK gameplay when I have less knowledge than somebody else and would rather just read what people think? What because I don't post consistently about MK means I hate MK? (rofl)

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I only used SF because its a clear example. I couldn't give a shit if you replaced SF with clayfighter/SC/Tekken/Arcanahearts/Skullgirls/Pokemonsnap. The facts are there that MK is lacking in certain fields and those should be looked into to help fix for the longevity of the series.

 

[Panque]

You do realize I wasn't the first to bring up SF nor was I the first to make a comparison between the two series right? And that making a comparison when discussing MLG sponsoring fighting games is totally on topic and legitimate right? I didn't even hint that MK was a bad game or that SF was a better game. I said that MK is behind SF in certain fields outside of the game and this is true. What am I not suppose to mention bad things about MK? LOL

I mainly post in forums about other games and their gameplay because I am more knowledgeable about those games than MK. Why post about MK gameplay when I have less knowledge than somebody else and would rather just read what people think? What because I don't post consistently about MK means I hate MK? (rofl)

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I only used SF because its a clear example. I couldn't give a shit if you replaced SF with clayfighter/SC/Tekken/Arcanahearts/Skullgirls/Pokemonsnap. The facts are there that MK is lacking in certain fields and those should be looked into to help fix for the longevity of the series.

Sorry then. Never saw you commenting on a first page article to congratulate a player for a win or new tech or even asking something about he game anywhere (granted I don't lurk every area on the forum), but I've seen you commenting countless times on the shortcomings MK has when compared to other fighters, so I've figured out you hated the game and wasn't here to learn it's ins and outs, but to compare it to SFIV and MvC3. Seems I'm wrong tho, my bad.

 

[RagingNight]

Sorry then. Never saw you commenting on a first page article to congratulate a player for a win or new tech or even asking something about he game anywhere (granted I don't lurk every area on the forum), but I've seen you commenting countless times on the shortcomings MK has when compared to other fighters, so I've figured out you hated the game and wasn't here to learn it's ins and outs, but to compare it to SFIV and MvC3. Seems I'm wrong tho, my bad.

I accept your apology, like I said I don't hate MK or its community (for the most part). There are things I dislike, but I deal with it and move on. But I'm trying to explain "WHY" MK is getting flak for being at MLG because in almost every financial aspect it loses to other games in terms of how well MLG can profit and really that is just fact.

I don't congratulate any player on any game on any forum. Its because I view it as something really insignificant unless I am able to congratulate them in person or that I personally know them.

 

[Sabin]

sf vs mk will never die will it? lol

 

[Panque]

I accept your apology, like I said I don't hate MK or its community (for the most part). There are things I dislike, but I deal with it and move on. But I'm trying to explain "WHY" MK is getting flak for being at MLG because in almost every financial aspect it loses to other games in terms of how well MLG can profit and really that is just fact.

I think it only loses to Capcom's games, and since everyone knows Capcom won't allow them to be at MLG, I doubt thats the reason behind all the hate. Especially since most of the haters are saying the game is shit anyway. I'd like to notice tho that I've seen a surprisingly high amount of players on the fgc just congratulating MK and pointing out that this is great news for everyone. Seems communities will end up getting along, especially if NRS keeps improving it's games, which should make them gain more respect from the other communities.

 

[MKF30]

Im glad it not Japanese because then the series would be complete shit like sf and MvsC is now. But i really do know that people dont like it because of the "japanese standard". I have alot of friends who hates MK basically because its not sf, they dont like chip on normals (reasonable), wont find ways to get out of certain pressure because they cant cope with d3'ng or they fact that cant mash out of pressure. Also they claim MK has no depth and to be honest, MK doesnt (by sf standards) but im glad it doesnt. MK i feel is great because it doesnt have things like option select, you must find ways to defeat someone with just skill.

I hear ya lol. Personally, I've always thought certain series(I shall not name) were always overrated to begin with, it's like to some people "only the japanese can make a good fighter or video games in general" which is bull obviously, I think MK, Halo, GTA etc prove it.

That's the great thing like you said about MK, it's NOT SF and shouldn't be. Different characters, backgrounds, style, blood, atmosphere, gameplay etc, etc.

MK 9 has enough depth to get by, and unlike SF's later games an X-ray won't kill your entire bar like an Ultra. That being said, NRS designed MK9 to appeal to both casual and hardcore gamer, I always thought the term "depth" is overrated. Just because a game is uber deep doesn't mean jack, in fact even though I play MK hardcore, I don't want the game to be so deep it takes me months just to master one character, know what I mean? The term is used loosely too you'll notice too. Me personally, I'd probably be more concerned if I made a fighter about it being as balanced, not glitchy as possible as oppose to "pure depth" we've seen the most simple game mechanics be among the best video games out there.

I mean, by those standards look at Tekken, arguably far deeper then SF by engine design(being 3D, tons of other variables compared to 2D)yet SF is more popular then Tekken.

 

[RagingNight]

I think it only loses to Capcom's games, and since everyone knows Capcom won't allow them to be at MLG, I doubt thats the reason behind all the hate. Especially since most of the haters are saying the game is shit anyway. I'd like to notice tho that I've seen a surprisingly high amount of players on the fgc just congratulating MK and pointing out that this is great news for everyone. Seems communities will end up getting along, especially if NRS keeps improving it's games, which should make them gain more respect from the other communities.

Well I'm not entirely sure about that its just capcom games. In America and in recent years I would agree that MK is between 3rd biggest. But other comptemporary games have gotten bigger internationally and have more sponsors in the past. Just look at Super Smash or Tekken/SC. One of the biggest factors hurting MK blowing it up at big leagues in comparison to other games is the amount of sponsors. I mean yeah PDP did their thing, but where are they now? Do they even make the sticks anymore? Is there even a MadCatz MK player on the roster? I mean yeah theres vVv and EMP but what else?

 

[quandaghost]

i have been saying this for a while now that for some reason the fgc is treating games and companies like the gangs of L.A. or N.Y. I cant understand why this is, but its the sad truth. We all play fighting games we are a fighting game community we need to support fighting games regardless of who makes it or if we like it or not lord knows i hate umvc3 but i will support those who play it and spout ignorance if i see something about it or be hypocritical about the game. IDK maybe one day we can stop all this needles hate and just play and grow together as a community of fighters

 

[Vulcan Hades]

does this mean that mk should have gems?

God that gem thing is gonna be so fucked up for SFxTekken. 56 different fucking gems? And they might all potentially alter matchups? And that pandora mode where Ken turns into an emo cat.. What the fuck are these guys smoking rofl. I hope the game is good cuz I'm loving the characters so far.

 

[Tim Static]

And how does that has anything to do with the SF franchise? I still expect apologies, at least for hiding your true intentions behind your last post.

Since I've first joined this forums, I've been called out by my opinions many times, Ive even been offended a couple of them. No moderators came to call those guys out. Nor did I bitch to the team because of it.

Also, I didn't call him out for his opinion, but for being in a forum almost completely dedicated to the MK series only to compare it to Capcom's games, and if I remember right, I'm not the first one. That's not an opinion, thats an action. If from now on the moderators are caring about call outs (Not offenses, you didn't say a thing about those and I rarely see mods doing something about it, but I guess calling out is a way more severe infraction, I can deal with that), you could've PM'ed me.

And if not giving infractions after giving a joke of a reason for it (I mean your other post) is your idea of not being an asshole, we have completely different thoughts on this.

Unless RagingNight is a close friend of yours, I'm shocked and can't see the reason behind what you did.

Yeah, it was off-topic and for that I'm sorry, but I have my reasons for calling you out.

I find it hilarious you think i should have PM'd you when you should have PM'd RagingNight instead of making the comments you did (same with him tbh). Sorry you tried to start shit in a thread i was already active in and saw those posts before someone reported them. Reported them you say? Yes, there is a feature on this site that allows members to report content in the forums so that our staff can see it and moderate it accordingly. Look below your signature picture and you see such features. And FTR, i know you as much as i know RagingNight, just so you know.

 

[STB Sgt Reed]

What I don't like about most of the other fighters is... they're just too damn cartoony looking. lol
idk.

 

[MKF30]

I'd disagree gamemk a little bit with that post respectfull..you must remember that some of the most popular, successful games are hardly "deep" yet will always be legends in gaming history, like Mario Brothers comes to mind, sure some may laugh at that but I'm not, actually very serious. That game set the standard and paved the way for ALL platformers...Now, the latest ones are far deeper then the 90's but even those were far deeper then most platformers today yet still simple, and very accessable to anyone. Not just "the hardcore guys"

All that photo really shows are that MK and SF using Martial Arts and "somewhat similar punches/kicks"....but the uppercut's mechanical element has always been unique to MK and MK alone, meaning you do it it pushes you back and knocks you down completely, Look at VF and Tekken is more or less another VF in it's own right but clearly was heavily influenced from VF, in fact you'll see more similarities between those two games then SF and MK. You can AA without MK being "uber deep" you don't need a jab for that, when you have certain moves like Noob's shadow kick that can easily compensate.

Karate Champ clearly was a direct inspiration for SF, karate gis? One on One fighting and while I wasn't going to, I think I will just to prove that SF indeed came from somewhere as well...

Interesting article from fightingstreet.com

Where did Street Fighter come from? Well, here's your answer so even Street Fighter was inspired or copied by something...5 parts:

Part 1
http://fightingstreet.com/folders/variousinfofolder/ripofffolder/ripoffpage1.html

Part 2
http://fightingstreet.com/folders/variousinfofolder/ripofffolder/ripoffpage2.html

Part 3
http://fightingstreet.com/folders/variousinfofolder/ripofffolder/ripoffpage3.html

Part 4
http://fightingstreet.com/folders/variousinfofolder/ripofffolder/ripoffpage4.html

Part 5
http://fightingstreet.com/folders/variousinfofolder/ripofffolder/ripoffpage5.html

I'm pretty sure Ed knows what MK is, since he created it lol. Well him and John, it's a 2D game that tried going 3D and realized it's better to stay 2D. Remember, even SF tried it but failed even worse then the 3D MK's did with SF Ex anyone? Or SF the movie game, SF trying to be like MK....easier said then done. The one difference which I'll always give NRS credit for unlike their competitors is taking more risks, different games, different modes, gambling with 3D etc...yet still being able to come back to 2D and proving they can still be good at it. Where as most franchises by now would have totally failed and died or are in fact dead.


Clearly SF's attempt at 3D and also using digitized actors...

 

[RagingNight]

God that gem thing is gonna be so fucked up for SFxTekken. 56 different fucking gems? And they might all potentially alter matchups? And that pandora mode where Ken turns into an emo cat.. What the fuck are these guys smoking rofl. I hope the game is good cuz I'm loving the characters so far.

To be fair, everything new a game does is always controversial. Supers and meter were a big thing back in SF2 days, meter breaker, rage, assist, x-ray, etc etc. I'm not going to judge the gems thing until I get to test it out for myself.

Back on topic.
A large part of MK hate as I mention before is the internet culture, where trolls and anonymity run amok and people are free to say things without any fear of consequences and can profit off the people that fall for it. I bet you half the people wouldn't even be as close to how negative they are to anything if it was in person. For instance, do you really think Perfect Legend is seriously going to mouth off Mike Ross face to face seriously? Perfect Legend is no Dark Prince. People tend to forget that before the internet exploded in the FGC fights were not rare.

 

[Juggs]

I dunno why this thread has turned into the discussions it has, but they're kinda irrelevant to the topic. Who cares if MK took stuff from SF? Like what does that have to do with anything? And they did, btw. In interviews and documentaries, Ed Boon himself said SF inspired him to make MK. But why when you learn that, do you have to also mention SF took stuff from other games too? Both are irrelevant and don't really matter espcially in relation to the topic of this thread.

 

[Espio]

Everything was inspired by something, it's very obvious and pointless to mention that in relation to MK and SF..every book, movie, game, art piece, etc had inspiration from some source. If we're not inspired by something, we don't produce our creations, everyone has an inspiration.

 

[ArsenalOfGlory]

Would it not be more accurate to say if it weren't for SFII there would be no MK? I have SF (Fighting Street) for my Duo, and it's...weird.

 

[xenogorgeous]

SF 2 came first , in 1991 .... period.

MK came next, in 1992, so, SF inspired not only MK, but Fatal Fury, Art of Fighting, World Heroes and any sort of 2D fight in the 90's years.

SF2 was the beggining of all, the source ,but, someone has to start something, right ? If was not SF, certainly, other game could have started all 2D FG era .....

MK and SF , both decided to choose their own way to evolve, and so, they went in different evolution lines, you cannot say they are very similar games, in fact, they share some basic aspects common in almost all 2D FG games, but, they are not clone from each other ........ they differ in game mechanic and defensive / offensive gameplay aspects ....

Ed Boon NEVER showed any trace of disrespect for SF serie franchise, in fact, all oportunity someone asks about it, he comes with compliments for the game. He respects a lot SF games.

It's a serious case of "time wasted" if someone start to hate any FG ..... in fact, we should appreciate that exist such variety to attend different taste styles.

 

[MKF30]

I just hate wasting my breakers on an infinite or zune trap as oppose to escaping an x-ray, I think it was a good choice on NRS part to make X-rays blockable(except Jax's and Kanos) which you can see coming. Also, while it rarely happens to me, anyone else ever accidentally hit Forward+block using your breaker(this was actually a big issue in the 3D MK's) but it's definitely improved in MK9.

Everything was inspired by something, it's very obvious and pointless to mention that in relation to MK and SF..every book, movie, game, art piece, etc had inspiration from some source. If we're not inspired by something, we don't produce our creations, everyone has an inspiration.

Exactly, everything came from some where or was inspired by something. There may be a few, yet rare original ideas that came from a new idea or concept(but that's rare these days lol)

 

[MagicMan357]

I just hate wasting my breakers on an infinite or zune trap as oppose to escaping an x-ray, I think it was a good choice on NRS part to make X-rays blockable(except Jax's and Kanos) which you can see coming. Also, while it rarely happens to me, anyone else ever accidentally hit Forward+block using your breaker(this was actually a big issue in the 3D MK's) but it's definitely improved in MK9.





Exactly, everything came from some where or was inspired by something. There may be a few, yet rare original ideas that came from a new idea or concept(but that's rare these days lol)

MKF you have everything right on the money, hands down

 

[ArsenalOfGlory]

I always use breakers on accident. I hate breakers. Nothing gets me more pissed than getting beat down the whole match, and then FINALLY getting a combo going and some asshole fucking breaks it. God damn, you're going to win. At least let me hit a combo so I can lose with some fucking dignity.

Obviously, my rules do not apply to everyone.

 

[Tim Static]

I always use breakers on accident. I hate breakers. Nothing gets me more pissed than getting beat down the whole match, and then FINALLY getting a combo going and some asshole fucking breaks it. God damn, you're going to win. At least let me hit a combo so I can lose with some fucking dignity.

Obviously, my rules do not apply to everyone.

i hate breakers too. shoulda left them in Killer Instinct.

Dont want to be combo'd? USE THE BLOCK BUTTON!

 

[MKF30]

MKF you have everything right on the money, hands down

Thanks, I try. Always fun chatting with ya.

Ok, more so though on the topic at hand. May as well chime in. It's a shame that some people "hate" the MK community for whatever reasons, but from there I think at this point there's two choices. Either the MK fans fight back which would probably solve nothing but cause flame wars or site wars with MK vs. SF fans(which seems to always happen anyway from what I gather)or B. Just say, who cares...we have our game, and you have yours. Know what I mean? I think sometimes people need to take a deep breath and just say, know what...I don't care what people think. It's like some people think they need their game to be "approved" by the universal FGC like foods need approval from the FDA or something...which isn't the case. You know? I've experienced this not just with MK sites concerning this topic but sports sites concering the Yankees(my fav team) so many people hate them, yet they hate them for being merely popular and successful...but will never admit it. That's what this reminds me of of late with MK9. MK9 did extremely well, and some people continue to "hate it" for the sake of so. I know everyone has their own perspective, that's just how I see it from site to site reading these topics.

Especially with something like this, it's a video game? I can't say how tired I am at this point everywhere I go just to browse seeing "MK needs help, MK needs this, needs that" no. MK doesn't lol, all MK needs are THEIR fans and support which is more then enough, like MK9 had and look at it's success. And another thing look at all the crazy good media MK has spawned that their rivals can only dream of, TV? Cartoons? Movies?(ok, one good one lol), music? comics? toys? web series? etc, etc People who hated MK before, will continue to hate it. Nothing we can do, that's why I say at this point just let them play their games, and we'll play ours

 

[MagicMan357]

Thanks, I try. Always fun chatting with ya.

It's a shame that some people "hate" the MK community for whatever reasons, but from there I think at this point there's two choices. Either the MK fans fight back which would probably solve nothing or B. Just say, who cares...we have our game, and you have yours. Know what I mean? I think sometimes people need to take a deep breath and just say, know what...I don't care what people think.

Especially with something like this, it's a video game? I can't say how tired I am at this point everywhere I go just to browse seeing "MK needs help, MK needs this, needs that" no. MK doesn't lol, all MK needs are THEIR fans and support, like MK9 had and look at it's success. People who hated MK before, will continue to hate it. Nothing we can do, that's why I say at this point just let them play their games, and we'll play ours

Haters gonna hate, and thats real talk. It really doesnt matter especially when SF players talk smack but then get clapped in a game thats supposedly so easy (WITHOUT OPTION SELECTS lol). Mk is the shit, and 9 is the best fighter to date. Though not perfect, i swear in a mere update this game could be perfect. Its up to us to advertise and show various people why they should pick it up. Personally its funny to me how people get so angry at glitches when its made by NRS (who wouldve thought). If people had balls they wouldnt cry but instead nag the shit out of the team till the fix the issues.

LONG LIVE MK

 

[MKF30]

Yeah, I hear ya dude. That's why they have twitters right? lol or one of the reasons. I've spoken to a few of them before, let them know among many others here I'm sure. But not everyone does that, like you said. Some just choose to "hate" and do nothing else. Because that will accomplish so much lol.

 

[Sabin]

How about just show up to tourneys and quit writing novels cause at te end of the day thats what keeps the community alive