The hate for the MK community

[LEGEND]

I just want chess kombat back, is that so much to ask NRS?!

 

[chessmaster]

ya you better guess or ill come over there and 50 hit combo your ass with sonya

love it or hate it we need the weapon styles brought into 10

what!?

 

[MKF30]

gamemk, I actually may have that issue lol. Back when EGM didn't suck and wasn't biased, I used to read them here and there. MK4 from what I remember correctly came out after War Gods who they also worked on(midway) but yeah Boon had said he overall it's more of a 2D game then 3D, but you can side step via a button command or if you double tap block or run. You could actually sidestep/dodge projectiles this way, pretty much the only use for it.

I kind of enjoyed the weapons, picking up your foes weapons etc I thought was neat, I didn't mind Max Damage(while I know some hated it, I didn't) and the 3D graphics at the time were cool looking.

I still think to this day, while I'll always enjoy MK games regardless of 2D/3D, and type of MK game. The fighting games should ultimately stay 2D, but continue with the badass story, cool characters and extra modes that the typical fighter lacks. I know some people don't care a lot about "story" in a fighter, but to me I kind of do because you can't just have a bunch of stick figures fighting each other, then that's all you may as well do you know? And that would be rather dull IMO.

 

[PND_Mustard]

btw their were things within the 3d MK games I liked, and liked a lot. Bo Rai Cho, Havik, Kenshi, Chess, Motor Kombat & Konquest.

i want motor kombat remade on the 3ds.

 

[Tim Static]

For everyone posting in this thread, check out this thread on SRK: http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/mlg-picks-up-mk.153898/

 

[MKF30]

i want motor kombat remade on the 3ds.

Hell yeah, that mode was awesome! I also want to see MK9 on the 3DS, if they could do it. Or perhaps MK4 at least online like UMK3 came out for DS, it could be boss!

 

[RagingNight]

disclaimer: I skipped most of this thread

Most of MK hate for being at MLG is because realistically it is not only not spectator-friendly game to watch but also behind other games that should be represented at MLG (SF4). Honestly I believe MK got into MLG due to NRS/WB backing and the previous beef between capcom and MLG.

In my personal opinion, watching MK is not fun. I'd rather play the game vs the cpu than watch anything thats not winner finals/loser finals and grand finals. The game just looks clunky to me and I know plenty of people in various communities and non-gamers that feel the same way.

 

[Tim Static]

In my personal opinion, watching MK is not fun. I'd rather play the game vs the cpu than watch anything thats not winner finals/loser finals and grand finals. The game just looks clunky to me and I know plenty of people in various communities and non-gamers that feel the same way.

Im the exact opposite. I love to watch it, and i do not like to play it. And its a lot more interesting to watch than any 3d fighter, or even SSF4 2012 or any MvC3. imo of course.

 

[ShangTsung]

We are the bastard child of the FG community. MK was based off gimmicks not gameplay, and through out the years, gimmicks were more important than the gameplay.

^^ THIS. not to mention all the added guest characters such as kratos, freddy, mk vs dc, ect.. is just obsurd and makes no sense, this alone makes me understand why so many people laugh at us.. imo mk started going down hill after deadly alliance, and it finally picked back up when mk9 released but still... guest characters, wtf? ironic part is i promise u these same morons who hate on the mk community were just as amazed when they first laid eyes on the original mk in the arcades as we were..

 

[Panque]

Where there is talk about SF on TYM there is RagingNight, always there to remember us how MK is decades behind it.
What a lovely member.

 

[RagingNight]

Where there is talk about SF on TYM there is RagingNight, always there to remember us how MK is decades behind it.
What a lovely member.

Rofl are you too fucking stupid to read? Where in that post have I said that MK is "decades behind"? Stop trying to imply shit that you don't know or shit I have not said. Now if you are trying to debate that SF isn't qualified over MK to be at MLG based on 1) stream viewers 2) attendance 3) global pull then please prove me wrong, but until then can you atleast try to be semi-intelligent? Thank you

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In the case that you've mistaken the "Most of MK hate for being at MLG is because realistically it is not only not spectator-friendly game to watch but also behind other games that should be represented at MLG (SF4)" part then let me clarify; I'm not talking about gameplay.

 

[Panque]

Rofl are you too fucking stupid to read? Where in that post have I said that MK is "decades behind"? Stop trying to imply shit that you don't know or shit I have not said. Now if you are trying to debate that SF isn't qualified over MK to be at MLG based on 1) stream viewers 2) attendance 3) global pull then please prove me wrong, but until then can you atleast try to be semi-intelligent? Thank you

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In the case that you've mistaken the "Most of MK hate for being at MLG is because realistically it is not only not spectator-friendly game to watch but also behind other games that should be represented at MLG (SF4)" part then let me clarify; I'm not talking about gameplay.

1. I Just find funny how I never see you around here unless Capcom is mentioned. And you are ALWAYS here when Capcom is mentioned. What's your secret man?

2. Never said you were talking about gameplay.

3. Isulting me just makes you look even more lovely.

 

[MKF30]

Well, watching something is all opinion and relative. I mean, do you prefer to watch Baseball or Golf? lol I know some who hate watching either but would rather play it and vice versa...

I absolutely can't stand playing Basketball, but don't mind watching it. Football I'd rather watch but don't mind playing, Baseball I love doing both equally watching as well as playing. Bowling I'd prefer to play, rather then watch but will watch and so on and so forth.

Same concept with games, it's all preference but I think the main reason some people are concerned about watching MK is due to the excessive violence, otherwise it's just as entertaining if not more then SF. To me SF bores me, I mean it's great if you're into it and perhaps want a migraine with all the flashing lights that are typical of Capcom games(namely MVC3) I didn't mind watching those matches out there from evo etc, but I have to admit, at least with MK I'm more entertained while don't have to worry about getting a migraine lol.

MK 9 is a solid game, some people have to accept that already. Has nothing to do with anyone paying anyone off or backing anyone. MK overall was last years best fighter, period. As far as I'm concerned, it's as fun to play as it is to watch if you're into it.

 

[MagicMan357]

Because its not japanese, thats fact.

 

[chessmaster]

if anything street fighter and marvel are the most boring to watch out of any fighting game. i dont mind playing mvc or sf but i can watch mk, tekken and king of fighters for hours.

 

[Tim Static]

Where there is talk about SF on TYM there is RagingNight, always there to remember us how MK is decades behind it.
What a lovely member.

1. I Just find funny how I never see you around here unless Capcom is mentioned. And you are ALWAYS here when Capcom is mentioned. What's your secret man?

2. Never said you were talking about gameplay.

3. Isulting me just makes you look even more lovely.

Not sure what your problem is, but when it comes to SF in general, show some respect. No SF, no MK. Thats just a fact.

Also, not to mention that the cornerstones of this community, from Shock, 9.95 to even myself, have a great love and appreciation and love for SF, which was for a lot of us, the very first fighting game we ever played.

So relax, Mmkay?

PS- i am, along with at least speaking for 9.95, not fans of the SF4 series, which is a corrupt and diluted version of the brand we love. FYI.

 

[Panque]

Not sure what your problem is, but when it comes to SF in general, show some respect. No SF, no MK. Thats just a fact.

Also, not to mention that the cornerstones of this community, from Shock, 9.95 to even myself, have a great love and appreciation and love for SF, which was for a lot of us, the very first fighting game we ever played.

So relax, Mmkay?

PS- i am, along with at least speaking for 9.95, not fans of the SF4 series, which is a corrupt and diluted version of the brand we love. FYI.

I wonder how on earth did I disrespect the SF series.
Was it me saying MK is not decades behind it? Because it's not, and thats my opinion, deal with it.

The only one being disrespected here is myself, being called out by a mod on public without saying barely anything, and I hope you apologize for that.

I don't have any problems FYI and it seems to me I'm way more relaxed than you, thanks. I appreciate all you do for the community, but try not to be an asshole with me for no reason.

 

[MKF30]

Because its not japanese, thats fact.

That's one of the things that makes MK awesome! American and not Japanese.

Don't get me wrong, I respect Japanese games and SF etc, but MK is just very unique and different. A different kind of "awesome" and easily one of America's most known, popular franchises in video game history.

P.S. For the record guys, let's be fair without this game there is no SF or MK...

 

[Tim Static]

I wonder how on earth did I disrespect the SF series.
Was it me saying MK is not decades behind it? Because it's not, and thats my opinion, deal with it.

The only one being disrespected here is myself, being called out by a mod on public without saying barely anything, and I hope you apologize for that.

I don't have any problems FYI and it seems to me I'm way more relaxed than you, thanks. I appreciate all you do for the community, but try not to be an asshole with me for no reason.

I'm calling you out for blatantly calling out another member, which is totally way off topic? I think you need to deal with it. Thats not how these forums work. Of course, i could infract you for it, but yea, Im am trying not to be an asshole. RagingNight has his opinion, and you have yours, so leave it at that. You have no business calling him out for his.

 

[Tim Static]

P.S. For the record guys, let's be fair without this game there is no SF or MK...

Their was a handful of games before Karate Champ that introduced that style, but sure KC is credited for being the first of this genre, but again, no SF, then no MK. It is as simple as that.

 

[MKF30]

I don't deny that, since SF came before MK but just pointing out that Karate Champ and Kung Fu (I think it was called) came before SF and no doubt inspired SF. MK while being inspired by SF in terms of another 2D popular fighter, outside of the 2D is entirely different. MK was also highly inspired by cheesy Kung Fu flicks, Van Dammne and of course their own unique story, characters etc not to mention the darkness which really stands out from the other fighters, the atmosphere.

Ultimately, I'm saying everything was inspired or came from something, even SF. I even have links of interesting article that's old but explains what directly inspired most SF characters. It's quite interesting.

 

[MagicMan357]

That's one of the things that makes MK awesome! American and not Japanese.

Don't get me wrong, I respect Japanese games and SF etc, but MK is just very unique and different. A different kind of "awesome" and easily one of America's most known, popular franchises in video game history.

Im glad it not Japanese because then the series would be complete shit like sf and MvsC is now. But i really do know that people dont like it because of the "japanese standard". I have alot of friends who hates MK basically because its not sf, they dont like chip on normals (reasonable), wont find ways to get out of certain pressure because they cant cope with d3'ng or they fact that cant mash out of pressure. Also they claim MK has no depth and to be honest, MK doesnt (by sf standards) but im glad it doesnt. MK i feel is great because it doesnt have things like option select, you must find ways to defeat someone with just skill.

 

[RagingNight]

I'm not even talking about anything thats subjective anyways. MK is behind other fighting games when it comes to 1) popularity in the FGC 2) stream viewers 3) attendants and lastly 4) global pull. I'm trying to explain why people are upset when MK got announced for MLG and not the other games. Its not even hating on MK, its just stating facts. If you can't get your subjective view out of this conversation then no wonder you think everybody is out to hate MK.

MK being in MLG is a good thing, but at the same time it is a questionable choice if its the only fighting game that is going to be part of the league's circuit. Not only because of the reasons mentioned above but you also have to consider monetary factors such as 1) sponsors and 2) advertisements. MK might sell stupidly well in the mainstream market due to its history, but does it have the lasting power and marketability in the gaming scene compared to others? I would argue no and that is why there is discontent about MK being at MLG.

Personally the best fighting games for MLG are games that get the 1) highest attendants 2) highest number of viewers both at the event and stream and 3) highest advertisement revenue. MLG is not part of the FGC, they just want to make that cash money and (imo.) choosing MK is questionable due to outside factors not related to the gameplay.

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Here is an example of what I mean
Lets look at Soul Calibur and the sponsors correlated with it.
1) Madcatz 2) Namco 3) Hori
Now heres SF
1) Madcatz 2) SRK 3) Hori 4) IPW 5) Eightarc 6) Broken Tier 7) twitch.tv 8) godsgarden (at times) and etc etc

what does MK have beside possibly pdp and maybe madcatz (questionable)?

 

[Vulcan Hades]

tbh, I come from the SF community just like many other MK players. And when I was new on these boards there was A LOT of capcom hate going on. There still is but I just don't mind it anymore.

But that capcom hate is pretty intense and it can turn off a lot of people from this site or game. I even heard some top MK players (on stream, interviews and podcasts) shitting on SF saying how the game was bad and it was for kids because there was no blood and the graphics were too cartoony etc. That sort of thing is what makes a lot of Capcom guys hate us. Because they think we play MK just for the gore and gimmicks and not for the gameplay. And they think we're too dumb to appreciate more complex fighting games.

We shouldn't isolate ourselves from the other fighting game communities.

Remember EVO 2011 was commentated by Aris (tekken) and Ultradavid (SF). Streamed by Team Spooky. Those outside guys helped us and now some people want to say fuck you to them. That's not right.

 

[Panque]

I'm calling you out for blatantly calling out another member, which is totally way off topic? I think you need to deal with it. Thats not how these forums work. Of course, i could infract you for it, but yea, Im am trying not to be an asshole. RagingNight has his opinion, and you have yours, so leave it at that. You have no business calling him out for his.

And how does that has anything to do with the SF franchise? I still expect apologies, at least for hiding your true intentions behind your last post.

Since I've first joined this forums, I've been called out by my opinions many times, Ive even been offended a couple of them. No moderators came to call those guys out. Nor did I bitch to the team because of it.

Also, I didn't call him out for his opinion, but for being in a forum almost completely dedicated to the MK series only to compare it to Capcom's games, and if I remember right, I'm not the first one. That's not an opinion, thats an action. If from now on the moderators are caring about call outs (Not offenses, you didn't say a thing about those and I rarely see mods doing something about it, but I guess calling out is a way more severe infraction, I can deal with that), you could've PM'ed me.

And if not giving infractions after giving a joke of a reason for it (I mean your other post) is your idea of not being an asshole, we have completely different thoughts on this.

Unless RagingNight is a close friend of yours, I'm shocked and can't see the reason behind what you did.

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Yeah, it was off-topic and for that I'm sorry, but I have my reasons for calling you out.