JBeezYBabY
Mr. Righteous
Ive noticed theres many errors in the movelist/frame data.
Ive noticed theres many errors in the movelist/frame data.
Very Far Corpse Drop DF3U reaches full screen
Is it just me, or is Shang really gonna be susceptible to counter zoning in Spellmaster? All of his projectiles have llloooooonnnngggg startup in this variation, so I dunno how he could avoid being zoned by Sonya, Baraka, Johnny, etc.
Yes it does lol. I was having issues but I'd say a 26f isn't the best to check someone fullscreen.
Everything he has has a built in counter:
No, I play on ps4. And I had the kharacter like 10-12 before you guys in US. I played him for 3 hours before work(it was actually the day before yesterday for you) and he had 10%+4% regen throw, he didn’t have damage boost when morphed, and the numbers in the in-game frame data were accurate for his ground eruption. I specifically remember testing it against Sub-Zero’s reversal slide with the frame data calculator turned on. Slide couldn’t punish normally blocked non amplified ground eruption, but could punish after a Flawless block when the calculator was showing it to be -11 on block and -16 on FB.
Then his ground eruption is now more punishable because its -16 normally and -21 with flawless block and can be punished by Scorpion, Sub, Raiden, Kabal, Geras, and many more without meter.
It's a good check because it controls a lot of space, they have to block it, it does aight chip, & the threat of the AMP is always their. A lot of characters can't do to much about it full screen & gotta inch their way in because you have so many options their. Even getting a straight Skull out after goes a long way to keeping control.
I have no idea what Spellmaster is supposed to do. This variation seems very bad.
Excluding fatal blows, so far I have found that only Cetrion, Geras, Liu Kang, and Sub Zero can punish a properly spaced mid ground eruption when flawless blocked. Scorpion's teleport hits on the 23rd frame and spear loses frames while traveling so he cannot punish. What can Kabal and Raiden do?
Main thing I want is the Urn Toss to be a little a little faster right now, I'll give more thoughts after playing it more
Azeez put up a video showing all the ways people can punish Mid Eruption I'll link it in a bit.
At certain distances Raiders F2 and F4 punish his DB1. Cabal can FB in gap if I'm not mistaken. But certain strings don't wiff on block and can be made 0 with meter.
I just tested Scorpion vs Shangs Ground Skulls and you are correct. Yesterday it was punishable after flawless block with scorpions B2/TP and B3 when buffered/reversal but now its safe. Must have changed from hotfix. Need to test Kabal Fatal and Raiden's F2/F4 reversal.
Extremely useful post
While I agree and appreciate this perspective, when has NRS ever been good at patching hitbox inconsistencies?
I think the problem people are seeing with those cancels is that they mostly don't leave him in a particularly advantageous situation for pressuring.
Raiden can actually f32 after blocking the first spark, and it will advance him quickly enough that the second spark just whiffs. A bunch of characters can make the second hit whiff in a similar fashion but for some the execution is quite tough (the dashes in azeez’s video are tough).
