MK11 SHANG TSUNG Discussion

[DarkMaeko]

HES PERFECT add ninja variation to competitive and he will be 100%

 

[Edmund]

It’s interesting when i downloaded him, the two variations I had aren’t what everyone else had. I had something called Outworld Sorcerer and something else with only ninja moves

 

[Marinjuana]

It’s interesting when i downloaded him, the two variations I had aren’t what everyone else had. I had something called Outworld Sorcerer and something else with only ninja moves

For some ungodly reason the default variations are not the tournament legal/kompetitive variations, which is what people are referring to. You can change them to the tourney presets in kustomization or through the practice menu. There's also two names for each of Shang's tourney variations so it's a little confusing.

https://testyourmight.com/threads/tournament-variation-kompendium-and-discussion.69448/

 

[M2Dave]

Hmm I did not know that so Shang recovers quicker if you don't block? Maybe timing block correctly makes him safer?

Shang Tsung does not morph back when he is supposed to when you hold block in the neutral. The recovery is always the same, yet the recovery is faster than the animation suggests.

 

[Mandolore1123]

Is it possible to punish Shang during the recovery of soul steal? After he transforms back? I notice that he does recover quite quickly. Is he safe completely?

 

[ismael4790]

I think Shang should have a variation without soul steal and maybe the ninja moves added, so you get the morph feeling without having to learn the whole roster lol. By the way, I think he is a good zoner for mk11 standards (not the kind of zoning I'm looking for, but yeah, Kenshi is skipping this game).

He will probably suffer from having so many gaps, time will tell. Also, hellsparks can be punished on block by characters with good dashes. Try blocking the first one with sub zero, and dash. I think this is big if you also consider flawless block option is there. Moreover, I don't understand why they decided you can't convert off them when landing a starter in the corner.

I don't know if anyone else noticed, but Brownback told in the kombat kast that the triple diagonal projectile special he has in the other variation was safe and gapless. I guess they changed their mind about that...

 

[legion666]

Please read my post. There is a damage buff on everything except krushing and fatal blows.

I can tell you for sure that when I downloaded Shang on Monday (I am in Russia so I had it 10 hours earlier than US) I checked if he had a damage boost on the Soul Steal by doing a throw ,and thought that he didn’t ,because I did a throw right at the end of the 6 seconds of morph time. Damage boost doesn’t apply to anything past 6 seconds even though Shang doesn’t morph back due to him being in a throw animation. have a damage boost on his Soul Steal. I even did Cetrion’s combos but due to them requiring you to do j3 jump cancel into j2, f13xxgeyser, Shang didn’t have a moment to morph back either, but the timer of the morph was up, so I got the same damage as Cetrion. So glad that there is damage boost after all!!

 

[ShArp]

So do I have to know ALL roster of characters to be able to use ST for competition or its not necessary? From what I have seen so far he ends his combos in soul-steal move and always morphs into his opponent. Is threre another way to end up his combos without sacrificing much of the damage?

 

[SHAOLIN]

So do I have to know ALL roster of characters to be able to use ST for competition or its not necessary? From what I have seen so far he ends his combos in soul-steal move and always morphs into his opponent. Is threre another way to end up his combos without sacrificing much of the damage?

Slide - BF4

 

[LawAbidingCitizen]

I can tell you for sure that when I downloaded Shang on Monday (I am in Russia so I had it 10 hours earlier than US) I checked if he had a damage boost on the Soul Steal by doing a throw ,and thought that he didn’t ,because I did a throw right at the end of the 6 seconds of morph time. Damage boost doesn’t apply to anything past 6 seconds even though Shang doesn’t morph back due to him being in a throw animation. have a damage boost on his Soul Steal. I even did Cetrion’s combos but due to them requiring you to do j3 jump cancel into j2, f13xxgeyser, Shang didn’t have a moment to morph back either, but the timer of the morph was up, so I got the same damage as Cetrion. So glad that there is damage boost after all!!

Ive been getting decent damage off Soulsteal buff. I Amplify Soulsteal which makes it 9s timer up from 6s.
A combo that normally does 32% becomes 39% with Amp Soulsteal buff. You just have to find ways to open them up right after soulsteal.

 

[LawAbidingCitizen]

So do I have to know ALL roster of characters to be able to use ST for competition or its not necessary? From what I have seen so far he ends his combos in soul-steal move and always morphs into his opponent. Is threre another way to end up his combos without sacrificing much of the damage?

You can end combos with s3 xx Ground Explosion (DB1) which does more damage or s3 xx BF4.
As for your other question. Yes you do need to learn every character to fully master Shang. One of the greatest qualities of Shang is that he can turn bad MUs into even/favorable MUs by turning into them and using their own tools against them and doing more damage using their combos.
The biggest reason to use Soulsteal is for the damage buff he gets. He does 50% damage on KBs and Fatal but gets a damage buff on everything else. 32% to 39% on one combo I tested (Shang vs Shang)

 

[SaSSolino]

Its good online but offline its fuzzyable even when using B3U4/B3D4. The B3U4 can be jumped into full combo punish. It will be godlike online and his D3 is broke but he will not get away with it offline. Almost everything is gaped and more negative after raw Flawless Block.
He is strong but very honest. I'm happy with shang I just don't Like that he only gets half damage after soulsteal on KB's (but does get more damage after Amped soulsteal in combos) and if he uses D2 KB he loses his.
The B2112 can be parried full screen which is (soap bar in my mouth).

Not my point. b3u4 and b3d4 are an easy funny online as well, hell I fuzzy block it by mistake personally.

What I mean to say is that in a counterpoke situation it's very hard to distinguish between b3 and d3, so if you do b3u4, the u4 will low crush in full combo. Damn strong.

D3 and B3 is a legit mixup, it's basically impossible to tell which is which

It's extremely good, but I've been playing Shang mirrors all day and it's possible to distinguish after some practice. It's still very good though.

 

[Marinjuana]

This man has a nice sweep, good range and only -7.

So Soultaker's(Spellmaster) Scatter Souls charge delay actually charges the move up and buffs its damage and frame advantage. There are four levels and you can tell by the screen shaking. It doesn't seem to affect the amplify version. Not quite sure how you would use it but here you go.

No charge: 60 damage, -6 on block

Level 1: 80 damage, -1 on block

Level 2 100 damage, +4 on block

Level 3 120 damage, +4 on block

 

[FrankOceansWaifu]

You can get a far up skull midscreen after a F242

 

[Marinjuana]

You can get a far up skull midscreen after a F242

Damn son, it's tight but

F242, DB1F (203 damage)

F242, DB1F, dash BF2 (274 damage)

 

[Inzzane_79]

Best anti-air Combo I found so far is

S1 anti-air, f2,3 into upskulls amp, dash upskulls (around 30%, not sure what exactly cause at work now)

 

[SHAOLIN]

This man has a nice sweep, good range and only -7.

So Soultaker's(Spellmaster) Scatter Souls charge delay actually charges the move up and buffs its damage and frame advantage. There are four levels and you can tell by the screen shaking. It doesn't seem to affect the amplify version. Not quite sure how you would use it but here you go.

No charge: 60 damage, -6 on block

Level 1: 80 damage, -1 on block

Level 2 100 damage, +4 on block

Level 3 120 damage, +4 on block

If I were to cancel it, would I retain the frame advantage and damage?

 

[Marinjuana]

If I were to cancel it, would I retain the frame advantage and damage?

Nah, I wish.

 

[legion666]

So , was something changed, I am getting 12% for his forward throw with 2% back now. I am pretty sure it was 10%+4% back yesterday)

 

[ismael4790]

So , was something changed, I am getting 12% for his forward throw with 2% back now. I am pretty sure it was 10%+4% back yesterday)

Already with the hotfixes?

 

[LawAbidingCitizen]

So , was something changed, I am getting 12% for his forward throw with 2% back now. I am pretty sure it was 10%+4% back yesterday)

I'm still getting 10% damage 4% lifesteal. I'll go restart system and check. If it gets changed to 2% back I'm gonna be pissed

 

[Name v.5.0]

Just a couple notes:

In the corner if you leave them standing with a straight skull, you get to 114 for free, it jails. It also looks like if you leave them standing with 2 straight skulls, you can do 21.

The back throw KB is stupid because you get a whole 2 seconds after morphing back into Shang to do it. Going to need to figure out setups because 2 seconds isnt even enough time to dash twice and throw.

 

[SaSSolino]

Alright alright guys. Hear me out.

I've started whiffing b1 into d2 on the opponent's wakeup and it hits waaay more than it should. Honestly I feel my soul fading away each time I use it... luckily I usually steal my opponent's at the end of the KB combo.

It'll probably stop working this well once people figure out the match up, but that's just one more reason to abuse it!

God I love Shang!

 

[LawAbidingCitizen]

Thank you @16 Bit and NRS for hotfixing the full screen parry on Shangs B2112(liu kang used to be able to parry the last hit of that string fullscreen and Teleport to opponent into 45% combo)

It does look like Shangs Forward Throw went from (10% dmg + 4% heal) to (12% dmg to 2% heal.) Personally I feel this is to small of a lifesteal and I'd be willing to give up damage to get more back. Maybe (7%dmg + 7%back)? or go back to 10% damage to opponent and 4% health to shang.
His lifesteal on his throw was one of the coolest things he had. The 2% has nearly to no impact in gameplay, any string or projectile will chip that amount easy.




Does anyone else notice any other changes on shang? I'm checking damage now

 

[LawAbidingCitizen]

Alright alright guys. Hear me out.

I've started whiffing b1 into d2 on the opponent's wakeup and it hits waaay more than it should. Honestly I feel my soul fading away each time I use it... luckily I usually steal my opponent's at the end of the KB combo.

It'll probably stop working this well once people figure out the match up, but that's just one more reason to abuse it!

God I love Shang!

Have you noticed any changes yet Cuz there has been a hotfix that changed his (Forward throw) and his (B2112 string) to be a projectile on last 3 hits so it can't be parry'd fullscreen.
We should check his combo damage to see if his soulsteal buff changed.