Fatal Blows must be changed

[Mikemetroid]

I just cant stand watching the full animation... Its extremely boring at this point...

 

[Jaywayday84]

I got you. I got hit by one that cost me a match. I was salty watching it lmao. It taught me to be aware though.

 

[HeavyNorse]

Do you guys play any other fighting games?

I used to play a lot of Street Fighter V, but after the whole thing with the in-game ads, I dropped that shit so fast. Too bad, as I was really enjoying playing Cammy, Cody and Rashid. Hopefully the next SF game will do all the things right that SFV did wrong, because goddagnabbit, SFV sure was a shitshow from start to finish, though with some good parts in it that kept me playing.

I bought an Xbone because of Killer Instinct and I thoroughly enjoyed that game! But then all other fighting games came out to PS4 only, so I had to give in and sell my Xbone to get a PS4 instead. I'm not a fan of console exclusive games because I can't afford several consoles, but other that not being able to play KI anymore, I don't regret switching it out for the PS4. I honestly didn't like the Xbone as a console either.

Also got Guilty Gear Xrd, Fighting EX Layer, Tekken 7, King of Fighters 14, SoulCalibur VI, and a lot of classics like Samurai Shodown, Darkstalkers, Fighting Vipers, Virtua Fighter, etc... I really like fighting games!
I even got Marvel VS Capcom: Infinite, but erh... let's not talk about that... And I tried the free-to-play version of the new Dead or Alive 6, but ultimately still feel like it has its issues. But can be fun to play from time to time.
Honestly though... Mortal Kombat is my favourite franchise of them all. And MK11 is probably the best fighting game for me!

 

[Jaywayday84]

I agree I haven't played everything you named, but I play a lot of fighting games. My psn name is jaywayday. Let's play sometime.

 

[magandi]

yes fighting games are sick. third strike and melee are the best.

 

[Marlow]

I'd love to learn to become decent at Virtua Fighter. That's my favorite series. NRS games are my favorite current games though.

 

[mn_tercercine]

my solution would be to reduce fatal blow damage to 10-15% but not have it scale in a combo.

so if you end a swag combo with it you will get bonkers damage that you deserve because you opened someone up, and if you just do a raw full screen fatal blow it's not that big of a deal

 

[Scyther]

my solution would be to reduce fatal blow damage to 10-15% but not have it scale in a combo.

so if you end a swag combo with it you will get bonkers damage that you deserve because you opened someone up, and if you just do a raw full screen fatal blow it's not that big of a deal

I actually really like this suggestion. It's a nice compromise that doesn't flat out erase FB's, but reconfigures the mechanic into something slightly more skillful with a decent but not overwhelming reward. Nice idea, my guy.

 

[Afumba]

Even after watching the whole Summit (which i enjoyed very much overall) my mind is unchanged, not a fan of FB. I dislike them as a spectator even more than while playing. In close matches in round 3 it feels like its all about them and while it makes things tense (even thought the situation would be tense at that point even without them) it also makes it weird. And i feel a resource that you get for free shouldnt change the final moments of a match this much. This is the main aspect that bothers me most while playing too... not being hit by it but that it impacts the gameflow too much.

The "creates more hype" argument is also flawed. I admit they were some hype moments around the FB mechanic during the Summit but most, if not all, of those moments would have been as hype without FBs. Its also antihype to see someone lose to a 40+% FB combo without him having access to the same resource at that time, this feeling is simply cuz its a free resource that the loosing side gets first.

So i understand that FBs arent going anywhere but i personally like them changed.

Ofc this is just me. If the majority likes them as they are then i will accept that. Game is too fun otherwise to not play it.

 

[craftycheese]

Looks like a lot of the problem with the move boils down to this still being a new game and lack of practice with dealing with everyone's fatal blows. I think we need to let it all play out and let the meta develop. This game is still new and we don't know everything yet and how to deal with everything yet. If we get rid of it or change it too early, you risk unnecessarily nerfing it to where it's not worth using.

I have thoughts on the matter though:

1). I don't think the length needs to be shortened. I can understand people not liking the length, but I think we risk the damage for these moves being set and it removes the little mini game where you can reduce the damage if you're getting hit or increase the damage of you're doing the hitting.

2) I honestly think the timer is fine because you'll probably, more often than not, get killed before it recharges. I think there should be a sliver of hope that it'll comeback. I think making it one and done if it whiffs or gets blocked is too much. It doesn't reward you for playing good defense it a tense situation. If anything, make the cooldown a little bit longer.

My advice is to just keep practicing so you'll know what to do to punish it and how to bait it.

 

[Eldriken]

How is having to lose 70% of your life to access your Fatal Blow free?

You're near death and one wrong move can end it all before you even get to use it.

 

[deathstroke187]

easy fix put the armor window at 9 frame and not 5.

 

[magandi]

easy fix put the armor window at 9 frame and not 5.

might as well have no armor at all then.

 

[kevkopdx]

How is having to lose 70% of your life to access your Fatal Blow free?

You're near death and one wrong move can end it all before you even get to use it.

I dunno, it’s still a low risk reward for doing worse than your opponent.
I might have less of a problem if some characters didn’t have better ones than others. I had a match last night against Erron Black, (I play Johnny) and the entire game was neck and neck to a third round, both of us with fatal blow available and he landed his. It felt super cheap and not indicative of the match as a whole.
Honestly, if NRS leaves the move as is, i wouldn’t lose any sleep, but I think the mechanic is kind of stupid.

 

[Invincible Salads]

Remove the armor. Lower the damage 8%. Use it and lose it even when you miss. Please.

nah, armor needs to stay

 

[fr stack]

Fatal blows make me want to smoke because my hands are idle for so long . Nrs are literally pushing drugs . Im a simple man who doesnt get to play 8 hours a day i dont want literally more than half my playtime taken up with these lord of the rings extended edition cutscenes

 

[D-Que Beats]

This is not to encourage a debate. This is reserved for everyone who wants to shut their console off every time they see one of these things and loudly express their discontent.

NRS you've successful made the worst mechanic in your history of 5 games.

The neutral is shut down when characters like Geras can walk half screen and win a match he was losing the entire game.

We understand you thought you were being creative with these cinematics. They're atrocious. They're not animated well. They are game breaking. And they spit in the face of players who spend hours in the lab.

Make stricter requirements immediately.

The tears lmao

 

[Afumba]

How is having to lose 70% of your life to access your Fatal Blow free?

You're near death and one wrong move can end it all before you even get to use it.

Dude thats like playing soccer and getting a free penalty after 70min just for playing and having less ball possession than your opponent, then calling it not free cuz you played the game.

You just get it for playing and being hit. As a sole requirment, for me, this is as free as it gets. Its nothing you have earned, saved up, unlocked and its nothing to manage towards and you get to use it without any cost. And before you say it, no whiffing and dying is not a cost, thats valid for everything. I disliked Xrays as a concept more than FBs but at least those werent just given and had a cost.

Yea you are right one wrong move and you might die without being able to use it, but one wrong move from your opponent and you might win the game with it even before your opponent has access to his.

We might just have a different opinion of "free" but for me you couldnt make it more free.

 

[Scyther]

"Yea you are right one wrong move and you might die without being able to use it, but one wrong move from your opponent and you might win the game with it even before your opponent has access to his."

Literally just described the reasoning behind the FB mechanic, and why it makes tense fights even more tense, and thus more fun to both play and watch.

And again, if you're "one wrong move" from losing to a FB...you weren't really winning all that much to begin with. It's not like you were dominating with an 80% health lead, and then suddenly lost due to a raw FB.

Much ado about nothing.

 

[NeonGroovyGator]

The more I play and watch the game, the more convinced I am that FBs are fine. I used to have a lot of problems with it at first, but now I think it's a neat mechanic.
The only thing that I'd maybe change is one attemped per round. And changing some FBs that are way stronger than others like Erron's.

 

[EdenianWarrior]

Fatal Blows are detrimental to skilled play. It's a dumb mechanic that does nothing but rubber-band matches like the Blue Shell in Mario Kart.

It's an anti-climatic experience seeing them used and neutral play being halted.

Can anyone (incognito NRS employees included) elaborate on why it's needed?

Damn you think it’s as bad as blue shell?

 

[EdenianWarrior]

my solution would be to reduce fatal blow damage to 10-15% but not have it scale in a combo.

so if you end a swag combo with it you will get bonkers damage that you deserve because you opened someone up, and if you just do a raw full screen fatal blow it's not that big of a deal

I don’t want any changes to fatal blow but if I had to choose one, I’d like this. Yea the animations can get tiring but in my opinion it’s worth looking at in a really good combo

 

[Pan1cMode]

"Yea you are right one wrong move and you might die without being able to use it, but one wrong move from your opponent and you might win the game with it even before your opponent has access to his."

Literally just described the reasoning behind the FB mechanic, and why it makes tense fights even more tense, and thus more fun to both play and watch.

And again, if you're "one wrong move" from losing to a FB...you weren't really winning all that much to begin with. It's not like you were dominating with an 80% health lead, and then suddenly lost due to a raw FB.

Much ado about nothing.

I kinda agree, but there are definitely some fatal blows that have ridiculous come back attached to them. For example Jax; he hits fatal blow, gets 310 damage. He’s now heated up. He’s in your face with a strike/throw mixup that both lead to Krushing blows which do 310 damage. You could have a literal 70% life lead and lose all because of fatal blow.

I’m not complaining though, I like it.

 

[Afumba]

"Yea you are right one wrong move and you might die without being able to use it, but one wrong move from your opponent and you might win the game with it even before your opponent has access to his."

Literally just described the reasoning behind the FB mechanic, and why it makes tense fights even more tense, and thus more fun to both play and watch.

And again, if you're "one wrong move" from losing to a FB...you weren't really winning all that much to begin with. It's not like you were dominating with an 80% health lead, and then suddenly lost due to a raw FB.

Much ado about nothing.

Its your opinion that it makes fights more fun to watch and play. As it is my opinion that it isnt. Especially while spectating FB leave a bad taste more often than not, at least for me. So stop generalizing things.

It also doesnt matter if someone is winning by much or not, the fact that the player winning is put in an uncomfortable position for winning is not appealing to me, both as player and spectator.

Nobody making "much ado", just stating my opinion as you do yours. You like it, good for you. Enjoy it. I dont and even if i would win the next 1000 games in a row due to it i would still dislike it. Why is it so hard to understand that some people just dont like things you do like?

 

[magandi]

fb are kind of a resource because you can use it only once. wasting it on someone with an 80% lifelead makes it not free. it's not like it doesn't require any skill.