Wavedashing in MK11? How do you feel about this? Video and Poll and inside!

[OzzFoxx]

I’m sorry if I’m in the minority but this looks fun as shit. I’m stoked.

 

[Eddy Wang]

Literally nobody can tell if it's broken, good, bad, what, right now.
We need to see the game fleshed out. Maybe during EVO we'll be wiser.

this is exactly what i want it to say.
It feels a lot more like MK9 now, so i'm jus going to wait.

 

[OzzFoxx]

jog n jab!

UMK3 shoutout!

 

[LawAbidingCitizen]

Any idea on what characters have the fastest dash speeds in the game besides kotal and sub?

Who's gonna be the goro of MK11?

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

First people complained the walk speed and dashes were too sluggish now they are complaining that it's now too fast WTF !!!!!!!

You've been around forever enough to know we can't have nice things, homie.

 

[liljay273]

I'll have to see how it works in an actual match to see if I like it or not. Still this seems like it will be patched for sure

 

[SaltShaker]

This is how it'll work in footsies according to the person who discovered the technique.

He says not to overreact, but honestly time will tell how NRS feels about this.

I'm honestly mixed on it. It looks like fun, but I'm concerned that NRS balanced without it in mind and some characters might benefit from it and some might suffer.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1119649935157354507

Wonder what he meant by "with regular speed" lol. The funny thing is, it could actually work, but that's why I hate it. The scary part imo is that it could actually play out that way. It makes the game easier once you learn the execution which I don't consider a good thing, and execution is irrelevant because good to great players always learn it. I'd prefer the walking and thinking version of fighting than the power of wave dashing in a game like MK11. An example I think of is something like this.

You're in that 2/5 away distance (slightly away from jump in or attacks). Both characters are trying to maintain pace and hit the opening mid match. One character whiffs a mid. There are two results.

-None Wave System. You use this whiff to walk forward into your range, dash forward, throw a projectile, walk backwards, depending on the characters and situation.

-Wave System. I wave dash my way in on your whiff and start applying pressure, as your whiff recovery is not fast enough to react to my wave speed and it's easily the most superior option to apply.


This is just one example, but I think it will simplify the game quite a bit. Certain characters like Jacqui in that video would never have a reason not to wave dash in during neutral on given opportunities to. Whereas without it, there are deeper layers of thought and meta involved. Maybe I'm traumatized from a decade and a half of wave dash defending in Tekken (still have PTSD from T4 Jin just ask Eddy lol), but I'm hoping this is removed.

 

[Kaneki]

I’m sorry but this literally looks too goofy. I can’t really make a solid opinion without playing it first but this doesn’t really seem to fit with the game. This really looks like it’s going to hurt characters with slow normals and zoners over all. I really liked the pace of the beta and wanted to keep that.

 

[honeybooboo]

Can this be done backdashing?

 

[QueenOmega]

I'm not sure if it's gonna be an Issue or not from a gameplay viewpoint, but holy fuck that Sub wave dashing looks equally ugly and funny (not the good kind of funny). It's like fucking Torrente dancing, just eye bleeding material.

 

[Ermaculate_Slim]

I dont see how the thinking aspect in the game would be disrupted by this.You would still have to use your head,particularly against a character and player with great zoning and spacing skills.Dont get this twisted dash blocking isnt free by any means you still have to be patient and play the neutral game.

 

[Obly]

Looks bad enough right now that NRS will probably address it. Rather than just tone down the cancel frames, my own vote would be to remove dash blocking altogether.

It’s impossible to say right now whether it “ruins” the slower-paced, neutral-heavy, strategic footsies MK11 was purportedly built around, but it’s definitely disruptive, in a bad way.

It disproportionately benefits rushdown characters and harms everyone else, by giving the former a direct counter to the space control tools the mid-range and zoning characters are built around, without giving any downside or weakness to balance it.

The game doesn’t need it. The rushdown characters are already brimming with high mobility and counter-zoning tools. Mid-range and zoning tools have been made near-universally slow-starting and unsafe on block. There’s already a balance, and dash blocking just tips the scale for no good reason.

This isn’t MK9. This is MK11. Let it be it’s own game.

 

[Gamer68]

When I saw the Kotal and Subby wavedashing I was thinking "okay, this looks like it could be busted but let's just wait"

Then I saw Skarlet sliding across the stage.

Nah, this is probably going to have to get fixed. lol

 

[dribirut]

It’s really almost the same speed as mk9.. looks great!

 

[MKF30]

Hmm seems fine to me, I do wonder if every character has the same movement however.

 

[dribirut]

It’s actually slower tha mk9s.. this is literally what everyone here was crying for and now it’s here and people are bitching.. lol cmon guys

 

[Kaneki]

Hmm seems fine to me, I do wonder if every character has the same movement however.

Different characters have different wavedash speeds, the rushdown characters are the fastest.

 

[Agilaz]

I hope this gets patched out.

Beta pace was almost perfect, all it needed was slightly better/faster dashing.

This however, is pants-on-head r-tarded.

Can we please have MK11 instead of MK9/MKX?

 

[SaltShaker]

It’s actually slower tha mk9s.. this is literally what everyone here was crying for and now it’s here and people are bitching.. lol cmon guys

Everyone? I think the overwhelming majority of people who wanted that back were MK9 loyalist. I definitely never saw people who started grinding NRS games post-MK9 wanting that back in any game since, which is most of the current player base.

 

[MKF30]

Different characters have different wavedash speeds, the rushdown characters are the fastest.

Yeah I'm watching some of the other vids, noticing that lol. I think if it's an issue, NRS will patch it to slow it down a tad but time will tell.

 

[Rude]

I don't like it

 

[versavices]

This is fucking great. I love unique movement.

 

[JTC]

Its fine, i like good movement in my fighting games.

 

[NeonGroovyGator]

Hope it gets patched out. If dashes are strong, they should be a lot less safe imo. I don't see dash blocking working as well as it did in MK9 based on everything we've seen from MK11 so far.

 

[haketh]

Looks pretty easy to throw someone trying to do this sloppily since you have to block cancel the step. Despite being someone who’s gonna be playing a zoner I’m pro this.

Gonna allow you to move in & reposition better for things like or AAs & keep pressure after things like people have already pointed out on twitter. Also this has applications in combos so I’m looking forward to what people come up with.