Online play is useful to an extent

[Shock]

wasnt going to reply to this thread until i saw my name mentioned so i jsut want to get some things out of the way...

1. i never said i was better than shock or implied it, not even sure how that became the conclusion. iirc he streaked me pretty bad with half of the roster, so it wouldnt even make sense for me to think i was better in the first place for just a few meaningless wins.

2. juggs i get what youre saying, but if i start attending tourneys and going to casual wouldnt that make me an offline player then?

3. mkf im like 10x worse on xbox live. first of all, i cant stand the 360 dpad and cant even do basic shit like aa spin with kabal, go invisible with robo smoke, instant air fain w/ kitana, etc. its pretty embarassing. im not making excuses just being real. im way more comfortable on a ps3 controller and can do things like aa spin offline no prob.

4. i didnt really quit umk3. im just never touching that game online again. let me tell you why, i played some dudes nightwolf that was doing rediculous shit. first of all, his jump kicks were impossible to aahp or aahk w/e. he could basically jump all over me back and fourth coupled with the delay it was a mess. he would lock me in place with that damn ram move over and over, i know for a fact that move offline does not give +99 frames of adv on block. and to top it off he was invincible when jabbing. i couldnt do anything to counter his jabs, it was like he mastered the ultimate lag tactics or some shit. anyway my dumbass kept playing him over and over because i was so obssessed with wanting to win when i shouldve just left from the beginning. is it me or is nihgtwolf the ultimate lag character? doesnt matter now cuz im done.

REO do not sell yourself short. On top of the misc wins you earned over the course of the night, you got at least a 5 win streak against me with Robot Smoke vs Kabal, all legitimate wins with no excuses, and that's something I won't forget. Having come from an online only background, you definitely impressed me and I know for a fact you came out on top vs Phil. I would love for you to come out to tournaments, and I think you and Simon would have some really good matches. Your Liu Kang is pretty nasty but I played a lot of full on counter characters vs him. The community needs you.

As for the smell in the game room, yeah it can get pretty bad when you got hundreds of bodies moving around. It's worse than a locker room at times and I feel badly for the girls who show up. BASS I want to see you at Summer Jam. We have a lot of players coming out and it would great to have more. I think not playing against anyone beforehand was a mistake on your part because you didn't have to play exactly like you would in the tournament, and you could feel out players more, plus get adjusted to the different environment. It's at the same place you went to last time. We need to play in person, and I'll tell you where your Kabal ranks among the top ones I've played. It's up to you.

 

[MKF30]

I truly hope so dude. We can use all the players we can get. We are trying to make UMK3 as big as we possibly can. And the more players we can get to come to tourneys and casuals the better and faster the scene will develope. I know youve said you have other things going on in your life, and that you dont always have money and what not. But dude money is not a nessecity. Our crew help each other out. We are much more interested in getting players to the tournaments. Who pays for gas or tolls or food isnt really important. It always gets handled. We look out for each other. No one will run out of gas or go hungry or anything.
The collective effort is what makes it happen and weve got that on lock. What we really need is for players like you to show up and play. This is the biggest thing you could ever do to help the UMK3 scene. Im not singleing you out. I say this to all UMK3 players in the LI/NY/NJ area. If you need a ride we can make it happen. Short on money? Doesnt matter, we will still make it happen. The scene is the most important thing, not the individual. Except to the extent of what every individual contributes to the collective whole.
I really hope you decide to give this a try one day man, cuz I know you'll get addicted and never want to stop.

Hey dude, just want to say thanks I really appreciate that. Yeah, you know I'm definitely considering it. Phil was nice to give me his number so I can call. I think he has mine as well. You guys sound like a nice group for sure, I guess I worry sometimes too much about things like money, travel and gas. It's not cheap you know so I don't want you guys to think I'm taking advantage of that you know. It's just the way I am, even with my close friends I've worked with and went to school with, but they never take any money for gas. I just try to be nice and feel it's the least I can do.

 

[9.95]

The community needs you.

QFT... REO, you're an outstanding player and you definitely belong playing among some of the best.

 

[Tim Static]

Hey dude, just want to say thanks I really appreciate that. Yeah, you know I'm definitely considering it. Phil was nice to give me his number so I can call. I think he has mine as well. You guys sound like a nice group for sure, I guess I worry sometimes too much about things like money, travel and gas. It's not cheap you know so I don't want you guys to think I'm taking advantage of that you know. It's just the way I am, even with my close friends I've worked with and went to school with, but they never take any money for gas. I just try to be nice and feel it's the least I can do.

DO IT PETE!

I am so jealous you can even consider, seeing how close you live. It sucks. I have UMK3 on a fucking cab in my garage, AND NO ONE TO PLAY IT WITH!

 

[Dark_Rob]

I have UMK3 on a fucking cab in my garage, AND NO ONE TO PLAY IT WITH!

Someday bro.......Someday I will be there playing UMK3 in your garage.

 

[MRIGOTBASS]

As for the smell in the game room, yeah it can get pretty bad when you got hundreds of bodies moving around. It's worse than a locker room at times and I feel badly for the girls who show up. BASS I want to see you at Summer Jam. We have a lot of players coming out and it would great to have more. I think not playing against anyone beforehand was a mistake on your part because you didn't have to play exactly like you would in the tournament, and you could feel out players more, plus get adjusted to the different environment. It's at the same place you went to last time. We need to play in person, and I'll tell you where your Kabal ranks among the top ones I've played. It's up to you.

Shock you gonna be there on Sat ? If the room is going to be on that level I am going to get a sars mask or some shit, cause honestly its beyond bodies moving around, some of them bodies need to move around to a shower if ya smell what im sayin. I mean there is no excuse for shiesty personal hygene ya know.

I really want to play you too dude, I am in the process of trying to get sans-p to roll as well. Alot of these kids dont got the cake to come out, but if he can't come up with the dough, I will foot the bill.

Shock I will go half with you dude on getting Juggs to roll? Juggs how much do you need I seriously will pay half of it just so you can come man. Now if thats not proper I dont know what is? Juggs a round trip flight from ATL to Philly is 2 hunge, I got a buck on it. Shock you got a buck on it as well ?

 

[STORMS]

Shock you gonna be there on Sat ? If the room is going to be on that level I am going to get a sars mask or some shit, cause honestly its beyond bodies moving around, some of them bodies need to move around to a shower if ya smell what im sayin. I mean there is no excuse for shiesty personal hygene ya know.

I really want to play you too dude, I am in the process of trying to get sans-p to roll as well. Alot of these kids dont got the cake to come out, but if he can't come up with the dough, I will foot the bill.

Shock I will go half with you dude on getting Juggs to roll? Juggs how much do you need I seriously will pay half of it just so you can come man. Now if thats not proper I dont know what is? Juggs a round trip flight from ATL to Philly is 2 hunge, I got a buck on it. Shock you got a buck on it as well ?

Get yourself there first... then we'll worry about Juggs.

Besides, from the sounds of it, you live A LOT closer than he does.. lol.

 

[Shock]

Shock you gonna be there on Sat ? If the room is going to be on that level I am going to get a sars mask or some shit, cause honestly its beyond bodies moving around, some of them bodies need to move around to a shower if ya smell what im sayin. I mean there is no excuse for shiesty personal hygene ya know.

I really want to play you too dude, I am in the process of trying to get sans-p to roll as well. Alot of these kids dont got the cake to come out, but if he can't come up with the dough, I will foot the bill.

Shock I will go half with you dude on getting Juggs to roll? Juggs how much do you need I seriously will pay half of it just so you can come man. Now if thats not proper I dont know what is? Juggs a round trip flight from ATL to Philly is 2 hunge, I got a buck on it. Shock you got a buck on it as well ?

Honestly, there are a bunch of us who are generous enough that we could take a collection and split the cost for travel so no one has to shell out any significant amount, however, if we do it for Juggs, other players might expect it as well, or ask what makes him so special. I've talked about this with others a long time ago when it came up with other players, and it's just not fair unless we ran some kind of online tournament with a lot of rules, conditions, play at your own risk, with refs watching, and a binding contract if in the event they don't use it, where the winner, or top two got a free trip, room, venue free and entry to a UMK3 tournament. That would be really cool to do, but online play itself might put the kibosh on it with the inevitable arguing that already comes out of non-prize driven online tournaments. We have run prize tournaments before too.

If you wanna lay it all down for him that's up to you but I'm not getting into sponsoring players even if it's a friendly thing. There are others ahead of Juggs on the list as far as I'm concerned, and I wouldn't do it for any one player unless I could do it for multiple. That's how I look at it. I don't like how it comes down to money or "being worth their time" for a lot of players. Even with the most simple job, having 4 months in advance like this tournament has been announced for, anyone should be able to save up 15 - $20 a week to cover the trip.

Otherwise, I will be there all day both days, so will Summoning, Simon and others. It's worth the drive to stay the weekend for you and there will be plenty of casuals. Saturday I'm going to have a side setup on a laptop where I can tutor some newer players in training mode or ones who want to specialize with some different characters since we'll have a lot of time on our hands. I hope you can get Sans Power out there that would be great. Let me know as soon as you can whether or not you guys can make it and I'll add you to the list.

 

[Juggs]

I do not even play UMK3 any more and quite frankly this type of shit as well as having a scosiopath stalker is the reason why. Juggs how in the hell are you going to sit here and say this crap. I have never 1 time spoke to you about playing at Shocks tournament. Also my man, you are talking about my experience coming from only online play?? Homeboy I am 33 years old you are 20, I have been playing mk since you were in a crib. Also you live in atlanta, you have never met me one time ever so how can you make up this BS you dont know me.

I cannot belive out of anyone saying I use "Online Tactics" you dude ? There is a reason you only pick human smoke and ermac only look at your signature, cause you can spam that teleport bullshit because you have the worst lag out of anyone I have ever seen and you know how to abuse the shit. You use online tactics my dude.

You did state, whether it was on the mic or during the youtube discussions we had, that the things that you can do online didn't work as well offline. Didn't say it was civil, I just remember you stating it. As far as you only playing online prior, I apologize for assuming so.

I only actually pick Human Smoke against you guys (You and SAN). Because if I lose once, I knew it would be on youtube. Which makes it incredibly unfun to play you two, especially factoring in the delay we have. I usually random select or pick Sheeva. Not saying you still do this, but when you were playing this is how it was. It's why no one wanted to play you guys.

Its all good, I really do not have any problems with you but for gods sake you need to stop this bullshit, this is the same crap about you money matching me offline and not showing up. Just dont sit here and lie about what I told you and how I use online tactics. I do not.

I never money matched you btw. I did so to SANS and you chimed in with $1000 challenge and I couldn't afford that. At least it got you to a tournament. I never said you said you used online tactics, I said you claimed that some of the shit you do online doesn't work as well offline.

I didn't mention you to diss you, even though it seems that way. Was just trying to make a certain point.

Shock I will go half with you dude on getting Juggs to roll? Juggs how much do you need I seriously will pay half of it just so you can come man. Now if thats not proper I dont know what is? Juggs a round trip flight from ATL to Philly is 2 hunge, I got a buck on it. Shock you got a buck on it as well ?

Haha well that's pretty generous of you. I am always down for going to tournaments, just never have the money to back up my enthusiasm.

 

[MRIGOTBASS]

You did state, whether it was on the mic or during the youtube discussions we had, that the things that you can do online didn't work as well offline. Didn't say it was civil, I just remember you stating it. As far as you only playing online prior, I apologize for assuming so.

I only actually pick Human Smoke against you guys (You and SAN). Because if I lose once, I knew it would be on youtube. Which makes it incredibly unfun to play you two, especially factoring in the delay we have. I usually random select or pick Sheeva. Not saying you still do this, but when you were playing this is how it was. It's why no one wanted to play you guys.



I never money matched you btw. I did so to SANS and you chimed in with $1000 challenge and I couldn't afford that. At least it got you to a tournament. I never said you said you used online tactics, I said you claimed that some of the shit you do online doesn't work as well offline.

I didn't mention you to diss you, even though it seems that way. Was just trying to make a certain point.



Haha well that's pretty generous of you. I am always down for going to tournaments, just never have the money to back up my enthusiasm.

Juggs I have beat you plenty of times and I didnt put it on youtube. As you have beat me as well, but I do understand your point. However there is no denying that you pick Human as well as ermac due to the lag. I mean you have the lag induced roundhouse teleport combo move down to a t I will give you that, but at least call it like it is. When I played you the only thing I could do would be to use the Dawn of Plauge induced punch block shit, as any kind of timed out playing with rushing, or run punches, corner game is eliminated with your connection. Not to offend, but I consider your gameplay and connection on par with Chorizo Du, ok the gameplay is better, but your connection ranks as one of the wost that I had ever played.

You were telling us that you use wireless on your xbox, which I dont know why you would if you play this game so much, remember it was the day you were like "Hold up guys my cats on my Xbox" Maybe try plugging that shit directly into the network, cause the wireless is not going to help.

Juggs look at it like this, you got 3 weeks till the tourney, you could book a ticket right now, round trip $200 bux I mean I dont know if you work or what but fuck $200 beans you got to be able to come up with that some how. Ill even scoop you up from the airport in the 600 V12 so you dont have to pay for a cab. If you give me the commitment I will make sure that I am there, and I will make sure Sans-P is there as well. I am sure Shock or Phil or any of the other people on this board would at least help you with a spot to crash or some shit. I mean I would love to see you and Sans P in an offline grudge match, how much better could it get ? Again all friendly dude, you should make this happen, like I said I am willing to drop a buck on your airfare I will paypal it over right now, it will bring some side excitment to the tourney. Let me know what you want to do and I will make it happen.

IGB

 

[MRIGOTBASS]

I never said you said you used online tactics, I said you claimed that some of the shit you do online doesn't work as well offline.

Post number #49 of this thread "HOWEVER, I'm not saying that all online players are good or can learn online. MRIGOTBASS had only played online and he uses online tactics."

Just saying

 

[Juggs]

Post number #49 of this thread "HOWEVER, I'm not saying that all online players are good or can learn online. MRIGOTBASS had only played online and he uses online tactics."

Just saying

Read that quote carefully. "I never said YOU said you used online tactics".

By the way, I pick Human Smoke and Ermac because I'm only good with those two. I usually random though because I can use all the characters, just not great with them.

Depending on the circumstances, I almost never hold a grudge. There's no point and I believe people can change.

Anyway, let's try and get back on topic.

 

[MRIGOTBASS]

Read that quote carefully. "I never said YOU said you used online tactics".

By the way, I pick Human Smoke and Ermac because I'm only good with those two. I usually random though because I can use all the characters, just not great with them.

Depending on the circumstances, I almost never hold a grudge. There's no point and I believe people can change.

Anyway, let's try and get back on topic.

Alright I missed that "You" I apoligize

So you down to roll to Philly? Juggs it will be worth it you may as well just do it dude.

 

[Shock]

aaRH to teleport punch is definitely not a lag tactic. It's a footsies tactic, which is actually harder to pull off online.

 

[SANS POWER]

aaRH to teleport punch is definitely not a lag tactic. It's a footsies tactic, which is actually harder to pull off online.

That's not what IGB meant, he's talking about the tactic you see a lot of European players use where they'll walk backwards, against the screen anticipating a JP or JK (that means jump punch or jump kick juggs), so they can hit you with a roundhouse, then start the ever so famous "punisher" combo. It's a technique I see players like Chorizo Du 16, ToxicSaibot, Juggs, and so on so fourth use when they're a custom to a lot of lag. It's most certainly a lag technique as your forced to turtle with block, anticipating a teleport punch or jumping in at them to engage in combat because they won't until they hit you with the roundhouse. Wouldn't be so effective online as, if I was running at them I wouldn't be worried about hitting block 3 seconds before I think they're going to teleport punch. Therefore, a player isn't so easily baited into the cheesy combo that seals the deal for most lagged out players. Human Smoke and Ermac are some of the most abusive characters in lag, especially if you play with it every single day. People from different parts of the world like European counties, Mexico, and even down south in our very own country (Juggs) are so use to lag they have an advantage to players like me who don't always have to deal with a super delayed connection. Very much an online technique, it's really effective and I'm telling you that from someone who plays more MK online than you do Shock, as I never use to see you signed on xbox live and you even admitted your strong distaste for UMK3 online.

 

[mhtdtr]

im from spain and i can tell you that in europe we are not used to lag. indeed between us the lag is almost not noticeable. i understand that play against someone in the us can be laggy but not with everyone cause i played with several us players and the lag isnt that much. in conclusion, is possible to take advantage of the lag against players overseas but here we dont used to laggy games.

 

[SANS POWER]

im from spain and i can tell you that in europe we are not used to lag. indeed between us the lag is almost not noticeable. i understand that play against someone in the us can be laggy but not with everyone cause i played with several us players and the lag isnt that much. in conclusion, is possible to take advantage of the lag against players overseas but here we dont used to laggy games.

Quick question..

Do you play Xbox Live or are you mainly on Kaillera? I don't know how good online is with Kaillera, but I'm mainly talking about UMK3 on XBLA. Most players from other countries usually play people from US, therefore the connection is delayed and it becomes tolerable to play, I'm not saying they're bad players, but the point is their techniques wouldn't be as effective if they played live or with a solid connection. Not to mention, UMK3 is a little slower than UMK3 on Kaillera and DS, they cut out a few frames to deal with online delay. Kaillera and DS are perfect ports of UMK3, while XBLA has been edited to help improve the game online, which in fact kind screws it up in the long run.

 

[MRIGOTBASS]

As for the smell in the game room, yeah it can get pretty bad when you got hundreds of bodies moving around. It's worse than a locker room at times and I feel badly for the girls who show up. BASS I want to see you at Summer Jam. We have a lot of players coming out and it would great to have more. I think not playing against anyone beforehand was a mistake on your part because you didn't have to play exactly like you would in the tournament, and you could feel out players more, plus get adjusted to the different environment. It's at the same place you went to last time. We need to play in person, and I'll tell you where your Kabal ranks among the top ones I've played. It's up to you.

Shock a few suggestions from my experience last time. First we need speakers that we can actually hear. I know for me at least I need to hear what is going on. If you do not have them let me know. I will bring you a set of KRK Studio Monitors. Also a little bit bigger monitor would be nice. I know everyone is crying about input lag of LCD monitors, however this is not a problem if you run an LCD at its native resoulution. Again if you need it I have some nice 28" lcds here. Maybe an ozone machine or power strip loaded with some glade plug ins as well.

 

[Shock]

Shock a few suggestions from my experience last time. First we need speakers that we can actually hear. I know for me at least I need to hear what is going on. If you do not have them let me know. I will bring you a set of KRK Studio Monitors. Also a little bit bigger monitor would be nice. I know everyone is crying about input lag of LCD monitors, however this is not a problem if you run an LCD at its native resoulution. Again if you need it I have some nice 28" lcds here. Maybe an ozone machine or power strip loaded with some glade plug ins as well.

We've been running UMK3 on a 32" LCD (which gets about 25" viewable area on UMK3 aspect) at native res with VGA for the last several tournaments. It's perfectly fine, however, we also have a smaller projector that can do about a 50" res on the wall, using VGA, and we can use that for all casuals and not need to worry about a monitor. I do need to get a stand for the 32" however, otherwise we lean it against the wall, which I don't really like doing. As for speakers, we have some loud ones we used at ECT2, you can hear them through the crowd reaction while not being directed towards the camera here:

There are two, the black box next to the TV that looks like a computer tower is one of them. They were plenty loud when we were playing. Still waiting for Ghaleon to post his cam footage from that tournament, I'd like to see it with UMK3 on the big 100" projector. You can supply the Glade Plugins though.

Sans Power, he was talking about exactly what I'm talking about. Again, that RH to combo strategy is just something you shouldn't be jumping into very often, just because netplay sucks doesn't mean you should be jumping in from half screen with punches any more than you would offline. It's a legit tactic and has nothing to do with netplay, and it's harder to connect online, as I get snuffed by JKs constantly with H Smoke, Ermac, and especially Reptile on Forceball traps, which require more timing than the teleporter use, but they are all completely viable, connectable counters. DS is definitely not a perfect port of UMK3, there are loads of problems with it. The very best home port of UMK3 is the 360 version, but MAME is a better option. I don't play on Live anymore,and you play online more than I do now, but remember I've been playing UMK3 online, in general, much longer than you have and played thousands of matches on Live alone. So I'm telling you, as a player with more overall online and offline experience than you, it's absolutely not an online specific tactic. I'd be more worried about random JKs, and unpunishable-punishable attacks, and standing "all defense" jabs, which are all netplay enhanced. Human Smoke and Ermac are definitely hindered greatly by netplay, not as much as Kano, or Reptile, but definitely Robot Smoke and Nightwolf gain significant advantage from any delay in response.

 

[SANS POWER]

Sans Power, he was talking about exactly what I'm talking about. Again, that RH to combo strategy is just something you shouldn't be jumping into very often, just because netplay sucks doesn't mean you should be jumping in from half screen with punches any more than you would offline. It's a legit tactic and has nothing to do with netplay, and it's harder to connect online, as I get snuffed by JKs constantly with H Smoke, Ermac, and especially Reptile on Forceball traps, which require more timing than the teleporter use, but they are all completely viable, connectable counters. DS is definitely not a perfect port of UMK3, there are loads of problems with it. The very best home port of UMK3 is the 360 version, but MAME is a better option. I don't play on Live anymore,and you play online more than I do now, but remember I've been playing UMK3 online, in general, much longer than you have and played thousands of matches on Live alone. So I'm telling you, as a player with more overall online and offline experience than you, it's absolutely not an online specific tactic. I'd be more worried about random JKs, and unpunishable-punishable attacks, and standing "all defense" jabs, which are all netplay enhanced. Human Smoke and Ermac are definitely hindered greatly by netplay, not as much as Kano, or Reptile, but definitely Robot Smoke and Nightwolf gain significant advantage from any delay in response.

I agree that you shouldn't be jumping into it because it's obviously a bait tactic, especially with Reptile's forceball traps, but my point was that on xbox live lag you don't have very many options. Especially up against a teleporting ninjas, not to mention I usually only use Nightwolf and Nightwolf is mainly an offensive character. I have no problem fighting people with this tactic with a decent connection or offline, because I'm not worried about surprise teleport punches or when to jump away or block. My point was that the technique is more effective online than offline or with a decent connection.

About the UMK3..

The DS version of UMK3 is probably one of the best versions of the game, even online. It's almost a perfect-port, when they Midway released UMK3 for xbox live they did a lot of editing to enhance the gameplay, especially online. Which it didn't, all they did was remove frames, UMK3 on XBLA is slower than the arcade version. The DS version is better because of the Wi-Fi connection and the fact it's almost a perfect port of the arcade, as far as gameplay goes.

 

[REO]

@scheiss - yea dont get me wrong, its not like i have a personal grudge against nightwolf and will leave if you choose him. you can pick him 24/7 against me for all i care and it wouldnt bother me. this applies to all other characters in the rest of the cast as well. i just hate those annoying lag tactics that shouldnt even exist in the first place and are just there to irritate people. that scorpion bs is also annoying. sub zero safe slides, sonya safe bike kick, robo safe telecut, etc.

@rob - dont worry dude im 100% done with umk3 online, i mean it was fun at first when i was new and didnt really notice the lag tactics and crap. but now that im more aware of whats legit and whats not, im not even gonna bother wasting my time with the sketchy netplay. and im definitely down for that umk3 tourney, you know i cant say no to the chillest bunch of people in the mk community, thanks in advanced guys.

@ac - for sure man, same here.

@phil - i know what you mean about those people with weightless egos. ive ran into a ton of them online who think theyre the shit because they get 1 win then run. so i 100% agree with what youre saying and was just making sure you guys didnt get the wrong impression of me. and thanks for the kind words, ill make sure to be free that day, i really want to see how i fair in a real umk3 tournament.

@shock - thanks man. i know youre very good with about the whole roster, so i hope it wasnt boring playing against my small cast of chars. i can play kabal, robo smoke, liu and i used to play kitana but dropped her cuz i couldnt do her instant air fan at all online. i just realized its retarded to drop something cuz of online so im gonna pick kitana back up and work on those 4.

 

[STORMS]

REO, you comin to Summer Jam?

 

[Juggs]

Yeah that's not a lag tactic, lol. When you're used to being able to freely jump-in on opponents due to online play, it may make you think this. In delay it's virtually impossible to aa anything, especially an aaRH. You have to really be predicting that they're going to jump to do it online. It's all about timing, too late and you will get hit, too early and it'll whiff. Precisely why it's difficult to do online. It's just a footsie tactic as Shock mentioned.

Also, the DS version is terrible. It's sped up to almost rival MKT's speed. When you factor that in with the delay, you won't be punishing anything. Blocked slides and Kabal dashes you can't punish with the normal amount of time that you should have. And with characters like Nightwolf, you can basically just mix-up spam the shoulder charge and there is very little you can do about it. The fact that it IS on Wi-Fi just means more lag too.

 

[SANS POWER]

Yeah that's not a lag tactic, lol. When you're used to being able to freely jump-in on opponents due to online play, it may make you think this. In delay it's virtually impossible to aa anything, especially an aaRH. You have to really be predicting that they're going to jump to do it online. It's all about timing, too late and you will get hit, too early and it'll whiff. Precisely why it's difficult to do online. It's just a footsie tactic as Shock mentioned.

Also, the DS version is terrible. It's sped up to almost rival MKT's speed. When you factor that in with the delay, you won't be punishing anything. Blocked slides and Kabal dashes you can't punish with the normal amount of time that you should have. And with characters like Nightwolf, you can basically just mix-up spam the shoulder charge and there is very little you can do about it. The fact that it IS on Wi-Fi just means more lag too.

Juggernaut, it's not hard to turtle as far as you can across the screen and anticipate a roundhouse kick to a "punisher", at all. I see UK players do it all the time, the most notable player that uses this tactic is Chorizo DU 16, I thought you of all people would acknowledge this, as you are an online player strictly. I don't care what kind of tactic you guys are calling this, "footsie", "flame-baiting", "online RH infraction combo punisher", whatever. It's a tactic that is very effective online, more so than offline.

The DS version is arguably the best port of UMK3, I don't know what you're smoking, but I hope it's none of that cheap shit Sugar might be FedEx'ing you. Only reason why I don't play it is because I'm not a fan of hand-helds and can't play with pads. Do your research on the game, you'll learn that the gameplay is a near flawless version of the UMK3 arcade version.

The fact it's on Wi-Fi doesn't add more lag, you seriously have no idea what you're talking about. Wi-Fi helps improve connection, I hear mostly good things as far as the online goes on the DS version of UMK3. You hear more people complain about lag on the XBLA and Kaillera version of UMK3, regardless with how good the Kaillera version of UMK3. Which in my opinion is the best way to play UMK3.

 

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Juggernaut, it's not hard to turtle as far as you can across the screen and anticipate a roundhouse kick to a "punisher", at all. I see UK players do it all the time, the most notable player that uses this tactic is Chorizo DU 16, I thought you of all people would acknowledge this, as you are an online player strictly. I don't care what kind of tactic you guys are calling this, "footsie", "flame-baiting", "online RH infraction combo punisher", whatever. It's a tactic that is very effective online, more so than offline.

You can't get an aaRH punisher from full screen, and if you're jumping at someone from full screen anyway, it's your own fault if they aa you. You can only freely jump online or if you are playing someone who doesn't know how to correctly aa. There's hardly any jumping offline in high level matches, there's usually no reason to jump. Also as stated by myself and Shock, the aaRH is actually a lot harder to do online than offline. Whether you accept that or not is up to you.

The DS version is arguably the best port of UMK3, I don't know what you're smoking, but I hope it's none of that cheap shit Sugar might be FedEx'ing you. Only reason why I don't play it is because I'm not a fan of hand-helds and can't play with pads. Do your research on the game, you'll learn that the gameplay is a near flawless version of the UMK3 arcade version.

Not one person who actually plays UMK3 at high levels will say DS is the best port. It's the fastest port with sped up gameplay, that doesn't make it the best. In fact that's one of the reasons it's shitty, as I already have mentioned. Implying that I must be smoking something or that I lack research because you're all fanboy for UMK on the DS doesn't really help anything. Just fyi.

The fact it's on Wi-Fi doesn't add more lag, you seriously have no idea what you're talking about. Wi-Fi helps improve connection, I hear mostly good things as far as the online goes on the DS version of UMK3. You hear more people complain about lag on the XBLA and Kaillera version of UMK3, regardless with how good the Kaillera version of UMK3. Which in my opinion is the best way to play UMK3.

Wi-Fi adds to the lag because there's usually more than one person on the connection to make it unreliable. Direct plug-in is always recommended over wireless for any gaming application. I use Wi-Fi for XBL and when I use an ethernet cord instead, the difference is clearly noticeable. I just can't use ethernet all the time because my main router isn't near my room.

The DS version of UMK doesn't have a message feature and no one uses the built in mic (If you can use it for UMK). So this is one contributing factor to why you see less complaining. More importantly, it's not as noticeable because the game itself as I've repeated is sped up. It makes up for the lag and delay, so most casual players won't even catch it, so naturally you will hear little to no complaints.