This came about in another thread. Since I do not want to derail said thread, I am making this one dedicated to the "argument".
Check made a statement regarding online play.
Check made a statement regarding online play.
I responded:Check said:All online is good for is finding players that live near you to meet up and play offline.
Hopefully Online Kombat just dies and we can all go back to playing MK offline; the way it was meant to be played.
To which Check responded:OJuggernautO said:Online is great for a lot of things. You can get great practice online, depending on the net code of the game and your connection with your opponent. It's also convenient and easy. Online in general will never die.
Though, people do take online way too seriously. You can't determine who's better through online casuals, the people who say you can are silly. You can judge skill levels and the like, but as far as who's better can only be determined via offline tournaments.
I responded:Check said:Those are things which would come with meeting those same people to play offline. Id rather go out of my way to play them offline then waste my time playing them online. Its a waste of time as far as MK Online is concerned. MK9 is hosted by gamespy and has p1/p2 programmed differently again so you can forget the netcode being any then it was in the past 8 years. I was referring to MK online. Not online in general. My apologies.
Then Tay (THTB) commented on online as well:OJuggernautO said:Yeah, but the point of online play is when you CAN'T meet up with those people offline. Besides, those people aren't always if ever going to be close enough to you to play offline. Sure, everyone would rather play offline, it's just a matter of convenience and accessibility. Not only that, but it costs money to travel, just bringing me back to the convenience part. Not all MK games are ridiculous online, I've gotten as good as I am strictly from playing online in UMK3. Sure, the topic of online play changes when discussing games that have terrible net code. If you're just talking about 3D MK's, then you have a point and I agree. Though even still, not everyone is lucky enough to live close to players who actually play the game you want to play offline and the players are good.
I responded:THTB said:Online straight up sucks. Until it gets to the point where there is absolutely no difference between offline and online in terms of delay, it will continue to be useless outside of playing with friends from far away. It's not good for practice, it's not good for gaining experience vs tactics, since oftentimes the tactics you face are hard to deal with online due to even minor delay, or in the case of MKD-MKDC, entire property changes.
People just need to find local scenes, tbh.
My question is, why is online useless? Why isn't online good for practice, match-up experience, or experience in general? Excluding the fact that there's sometimes unplayable delay or lag. I am talking about having a great connection with someone.OJuggernautO said:Definitely not always the case. In some and even most scenarios it is great for practice and experience. As far as it being useless depends on the person and is a subjective view. The only way it is indeed useless is if the connection is unplayable, which again varies from person to person. A playable connection for me, could be an unplayable one for you. That is still irrelevant regarding practice, match-ups and experience though. But even to say it's useless you have to define what you mean by "useless" and comapared to what. I don't know what connections you guys are playing in, but I have far from a great connection and not every game has lag or delay. Yes, some tactics are harder to react to online, or are easier to use online. Though that's just a tactic and usually only abusable in lag and delay. Even still, you'd be able to adapt offline if the tactic you used online doesn't work so well offline. I'm not saying that online play is exactly like offline, because it's not. I hate online as far as competition as much as the next person. You just can't say it's "useless" in general, because that's just not true. I've become a high level player in UMK3 strictly from online play. So based on that example alone, online isn't useless.