Nerfs. In november patch we have them, but that is not enough

[thlityoursloat]

No, I'm saying if your core issue is getting off the ground with a character like Adam wakeups you need to buff your blocking.

How does that fix his problem? WIth buffed blocking, I'd still have a much easier time getting off the ground as a character with a wakeup.

 

[Wigy]

So make LK more negative... also are we really gonna pretend Flash requires tight execution? lol

Higher than most of the cast.

SG supes black adam and catwoman are all a lot easier and way more complete characters so if you’re going to go with that argument flash shouldnt be you’re big complaint.

It sounds like you have a personal issue with flash, like i said it requires high execution to exploit flashes weaknesses so its understandable. Not to mention you play black adam who has no wakeup. Ofcourse you’re guna think flash is super broken.

His difficulty comes in with getting around certain characters neutral tools and even worse characters like fate who can zone and cause big issues up close.

For example fates b2 low crushes and is very fast with a great hit/hurtbox so when flash gets in (which can be really hard) he can start nothing til they’ve made a mistake.

Catwoman can disrespect everything with her backdash and b3 and is always plus or like -2 so all you can do is poke. Theres nothing she cant handle and her design doesnt penalise bad fundamentals

Supergirl has very oppressive neutral, cant be zoned at all and can zone out a lot of characters, her corner oki is just as stupid as flashes if not more stupid.

Supes- lol not even guna explain why this guys braindead

Black adam- legit only high execution is d1-4-f12, he can have issues with forcing people to respect f12 and his having no wakeup, but overall hes one of the easiest characters to pick up and play with few bad mu’s

For all the folks saying its stupid to be complaining after the patch, most of established problem characters were basically ignored in the patch and the characters with big issues didnt get the attention they needed.

 

[Barrogh]

and the characters with big issues didnt get the attention they needed.

Some of those got looked at tbh.
...and nerfed even more.

 

[Psyren136]

I could SAY it.

I wouldn't mean it, but I could say it....

Fair enough

 

[Cerbero]

Some of those got looked at tbh.
...and nerfed even more.

lol

 

[Zhidoreptiloid]

Anyone who thinks adam needs zero changes either has no idea about his trait cancel plus frames and ex divekick plus frames, or is in blissful ignorance mode or trying to divert attention.

There is no reason in the world that a character can get to be PLUS F**CKING 23 or so off of a string into trait. Who was defending pre patch tempest Lao when he was plus 27 and saying he was fine? No one.

Also it's insane to me that he can do an instant fullscreen overhead to get in and be plus 10 because he did it low enough.

Almost all his strings can be canceled into trait making them either plus or 0, and he has a 6 frame d1 so you can't press buttons. I mean johnny and Liu players had to get dat crisp afexecution for their plus frames, and Adams get to do it for free, giving them the freest shimmy in the game.

Also yes, I know you can interrupt his d1 special, but it's hard to do and if you're off even by a frame, he gets to full combo you. Yay...

I'm not here to try and bury adam, but his excessive plus frames need to go. Here are my proposed changes:

- All trait cancels are significantly less plus, and now only about 3 strings are actually plus instead of all of them. IMO 112, 113 and f12. Max amount of plus frames should be plus 7 from 113 trait.

- Ex divekick is now always -4 no matter the height it's done at.

- His shocker (where he electrocutes you) should be -6 on block with way less blockstun and pushback. Idk why it is how it is now.

Then I think he'd be perfectly balanced.

Totally agree

 

[MysTiiK_V]

I glad that bats, RH and deadshot are nerfed, but adam and supergirl are untouched, that means that they both will be top-3 anyway, i think, buffing of firestorm is little broke him - he was solid, he dont need any buffs.
I think, flash's damage must be slightly reduced and hitbox of divekick of brainiac must be corrected- now divekick wins all air-to-air trades

agree Adam, supergirl, and catwoman are top 3 now and they are stupid. agree with the flash and brainiac adjustments as well.

 

[MysTiiK_V]

cheetah nerf dmg , supergirl too

cheetah is fine lol

 

[Swindle]

Ahahaha, i love, how tier-whore mainers protect their broken characters - no, adam is fine, that is you scrub! No, supergirl not need nerfs, game is balanced! Catwoman's neutral not broken, just learn to play.
There is NO any swamp thing mainer, who said "the game is ok, the s-tier is ok, swamp thing can win major tournament".
Nice self-justifications

I read everything you post in the Hulk's voice.

 

[Baconlord]

F12 is a great whiff + combo punisher but gets low profiled, it can't just be thrown out there on the neutral. Any decent player will react and punish you.

No one on planet earth can react to an 8 frame advancing high.

 

[Cerbero]

No one on planet earth can react to an 8 frame advancing high.

They will reach to the second hit of the string, and its not only reaction but expectation.

 

[EMPEROR_KNICKS]

They will reach to the second hit of the string, and its not only reaction but expectation.

I havent seen such crazy ba downplay from anyone lol. Have fun expecting f1 and whiffing buttons in the neutral to try to see it lmao. I actually cant lol yah sick d1 punish on that f1 thats airborne on the second hit so u get a bad punish and then ba baits u once and deletes ur health. Expecting a f1 smh

 

[Basic Stupidity]

people still downplay ba here?

 

[hkriderz]

He's been downplayed since the game was released. All the downplayers make sure to avoid attention from his broke shit and just complain about his weaknesses.

 

[JBeezYBabY]

this is the scrubbiest post i have seen in a really long time. when you're calling for nerfs before you have even had the chance to really sit down and come up with new strategies, because after all the game did change and thats what you're supposed to do, then you're holding yourself back as a player.

Off topic, but i saw your ass on TV! AAAH HAAA! All smilin' n shit

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Yeah.... you don’t need a great wakeup to be good in this game. A lot of characters have had weak wake ups and been crazy in these games. MKX Quan Chi got raped on knockdown, Injustice 1 Batman didn’t do too good, and Black Adam now.

 

[Cerbero]

I havent seen such crazy ba downplay from anyone lol. Have fun expecting f1 and whiffing buttons in the neutral to try to see it lmao. I actually cant lol yah sick d1 punish on that f1 thats airborne on the second hit so u get a bad punish and then ba baits u once and deletes ur health. Expecting a f1 smh

Watch high level play, watch Theo for example he d1s Adams f12 all the time.

 

[BurdaA]

Watch high level play, watch Theo for example he d1s Adams f12 all the time.

Watch high level play, watch Theo for example he d1s Adams f12 all the time.

To be fair, I hate fighting BA (and never touched him outside the lab) but I regularly punish neutral f1’s. Less common to see it used in the neutral at higher level play, and I assumed the react/punish-ability was why. Still a superb string, just not sensible to overuse raw in the neutral.

That being said, a string not being all-purpose isn’t really a weakness though. Darkseid says hi.

I’m not very good, just my 2 pennies....

 

[EMPEROR_KNICKS]

Watch high level play, watch Theo for example he d1s Adams f12 all the time.

Breh i play dragon, and go back and forth with him lol, i know the mu, D1 his f1 after ba whiffing is easy to react to, but just reacting to f1 start up is propaganda.

 

[Zhidoreptiloid]

Breh i play dragon, and go back and forth with him lol, i know the mu, D1 his f1 after ba whiffing is easy to react to, but just reacting to f1 start up is propaganda.

Confirm. Maximum reaction time for human about 11 frames. And that best reaction of best people, most of us have even slow reaction

 

[MysTiiK_V]

Imo I think supergirl's lasers should have slower start up and her d1 hitbox needs adjusted. Adam's divekick mb needs to be only -4 and not be plus dependent on where he hits you and his mb lighting should do less dmg. Catwoman I think she's fine for the most part, if anything I would make her 1f2 not plus or her d2 not low pro but honestly Idk, the only time catwoman ever seems to be extremely good is in the corner. I have a problem with fate as well especially since deadshot is no longer a problem for him, I think his b2 antiair should be slower and mb orb should go away on hit and that's it. Flash's lighting kick non-charged should be easier to punish and his d2 shouldn't low pro.

 

[Toonstrack]

Something needs done with Supergirl Ive played SG that literally crouch and wait until they can MV freeze you into corner loop. Ive been having a lot of trouble with her so I went into practice mode with her and was able to do the corner combo within 5 minutes. Shes just too free IMO

 

[Moms4lif3]

As of right now I am fairly satisfied with the games status.

Basically most people agree that SG needs to be brought down again a little and I agree. I really don't like playing her but she is just not 'fine' (like many before suggested) from an objective standpoint.

Example:
Cold got some nerfs and I think they were fine because he made some MUs way unfair. I play captain cold and now I need to adjust to the changes and can't abuse his moves in some MUs as much.

BUT, if a character like cold who has some really good MUs and many bad ones got changes for the worse , HOW is it fair that a all round really good character like SG did not get changed AT ALL??? Her own community is like 'she has 0 !!! Losing MUs'

For this argument alone I think they need to really look at her and see that some of the stuff she has is not balanced anymore. A character with no losing MUs cannot also have that many winning MUs (around 10 in most MU charts on this site) while other characters (Canary) have barely any winning MUs (I do think she is a really good character tho, but she is not well balanced either)

 

[Moms4lif3]

Also I think BA is a little strong rn but definitely not op, neither is Superman. They are strong and easy to play but they do not have a lot of depth.
To be honest I didn't even mind Batman that much before patch, yes his trait was stupid n all but once you know how to play against him only really good players made him look broken. I'm glad he was brought down tho, he was not balanced.

 

[Thundergodd]

Also I think BA is a little strong rn but definitely not op,

This x 100.