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Nerfs. In november patch we have them, but that is not enough

Who must be nerfed?

  • Black Adam

    Votes: 56 33.7%
  • Supergirl

    Votes: 128 77.1%
  • Firestorm

    Votes: 30 18.1%
  • Superman

    Votes: 33 19.9%
  • The flash

    Votes: 41 24.7%
  • Brainiac

    Votes: 16 9.6%
  • Catwoman

    Votes: 69 41.6%
  • Dr Fate

    Votes: 28 16.9%

  • Total voters
    166

wsj515

This is my billionth life cycle.
Adam is top 3 while Flash is top 10 or outside, are you really asking for nerfs for a character that is worse than yours while saying your character is fine?
Stop!
Black Adam has amazing up-close game, great defense (good advancing normals, good AA), good zoning and counter zoning, amazing mobility, damage, safety. Hos only weakness is literally his bad wake-up.
His backdash is not the best but it's not that bad either and it's not that big of a deal for a character like him.
I hate to agree with Cerbero here because he is kinda going bananas in this thread, but you aren't painting a clear picture of the character. Adam is a pretty clear top tier character but has some glaring weaknesses, and back dash is actually a pretty big liability considering our weak mids up close, and really short d1 range.
 

Tweedy

Noob
The problem here is that i'm not convinced that anyone asking for buffs/nerfs even plays the game. It just seems like their hobby is to come on here and be involved in talks about buffs/nerfs. This is painfully obvious because you can't wait more than 30 hours after the patch hits, to make another thread bitching.
 
Adam is top 3 while Flash is top 10 or outside,
Really? Do you honestly think Adam is top 3? I'm not being sarcastic; it's an honest question.

are you really asking for nerfs for a character that is worse than yours while saying your character is fine?
Stop!
Hate to say it but I gotta agree here.

Black Adam has amazing up-close game, great defense (good advancing normals, good AA), good zoning and counter zoning, amazing mobility, damage, safety. Hos only weakness is literally his bad wake-up.
His backdash is not the best but it's not that bad either and it's not that big of a deal for a character like him.
His backdash sucks like a $2 hooker....that asks for change.
 

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
Really? Do you honestly think Adam is top 3? I'm not being sarcastic; it's an honest question.



Hate to say it but I gotta agree here.



His backdash sucks like a $2 hooker....that asks for change.
Yeah, I think he is top 5 after this patch for sure.


And for all the other Adam players quoting me, I never said Adam was some sort of Kabal or anything, I think he is extremely good but I was calling out that one guy who said Flash needed nerfs but was also saying Black Adam was fine when Adam is a way better character than Flash overall
 

trufenix

bye felicia
You talk like him not having a wakeup is not a big deal, with the recent patch making him an outlier and all.
Not to be that guy, but if your major issue with a character is lack of wakeup, you need to be asking why you're always on your back in the corner, not begging for an easier trip off the ground.
 

thlityoursloat

kick kick
Not to be that guy, but if your major issue with a character is lack of wakeup, you need to be asking why you're always on your back in the corner, not begging for an easier trip off the ground.
I don't get it.. so you're saying wakeups are completely useless midscreen or what?
 

RM Jonnitti

Hot Dog
this is the scrubbiest post i have seen in a really long time. when you're calling for nerfs before you have even had the chance to really sit down and come up with new strategies, because after all the game did change and thats what you're supposed to do, then you're holding yourself back as a player.
 

Zhidoreptiloid

Watcher from the sky
Ahahaha, i love, how tier-whore mainers protect their broken characters - no, adam is fine, that is you scrub! No, supergirl not need nerfs, game is balanced! Catwoman's neutral not broken, just learn to play.
There is NO any swamp thing mainer, who said "the game is ok, the s-tier is ok, swamp thing can win major tournament".
Nice self-justifications
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
The problem here is that i'm not convinced that anyone asking for buffs/nerfs even plays the game. It just seems like their hobby is to come on here and be involved in talks about buffs/nerfs. This is painfully obvious because you can't wait more than 30 hours after the patch hits, to make another thread bitching.
Most of them haven’t learned any matchups and are mainly in favor of nerfing characters “because they are top tier”.

Imo if you’re going to call for nerfs, you should be able to list:
-MUs that are too one-sided
-Specific tools thst are broken and don’t make sense
etc.

For example: if you think Supergirl’s MB breath should be adjusted so it’s never plus, that’s a specific change I could understand and get behind. But if you’re like “take all her tooks away and nerf her to the ground because she’s top tier”, then you’re probably the kind of person who will rant about the next top tiers once the current set is nerfed.
 

Cerbero

Always down for games.
Yeah, I think he is top 5 after this patch for sure.


And for all the other Adam players quoting me, I never said Adam was some sort of Kabal or anything, I think he is extremely good but I was calling out that one guy who said Flash needed nerfs but was also saying Black Adam was fine when Adam is a way better character than Flash overall
Again we only want his safe 50/50s gone.
We never said he was better than Adam, everyone knows Adam is top, we don’t deny it.
 

Cerbero

Always down for games.
Most of them haven’t learned any matchups and are mainly in favor of nerfing characters “because they are top tier”.

Imo if you’re going to call for nerfs, you should be able to list:
-MUs that are too one-sided
-Specific tools thst are broken and don’t make sense
etc.

For example: if you think Supergirl’s MB breath should be adjusted so it’s never plus, that’s a specific change I could understand and get behind. But if you’re like “take all her tooks away and nerf her to the ground because she’s top tier”, then you’re probably the kind of person who will rant about the next top tiers once the current set is nerfed.
Idk why Tweddy is acting almighty, he’s known to bitch and moan when his mains get nerfed.
 

hkriderz

Lin Kuei Scum, yellow robot enthusiast
Anyone who thinks adam needs zero changes either has no idea about his trait cancel plus frames and ex divekick plus frames, or is in blissful ignorance mode or trying to divert attention.

There is no reason in the world that a character can get to be PLUS F**CKING 23 or so off of a string into trait. Who was defending pre patch tempest Lao when he was plus 27 and saying he was fine? No one.

Also it's insane to me that he can do an instant fullscreen overhead to get in and be plus 10 because he did it low enough.

Almost all his strings can be canceled into trait making them either plus or 0, and he has a 6 frame d1 so you can't press buttons. I mean johnny and Liu players had to get dat crisp afexecution for their plus frames, and Adams get to do it for free, giving them the freest shimmy in the game.

Also yes, I know you can interrupt his d1 special, but it's hard to do and if you're off even by a frame, he gets to full combo you. Yay...

I'm not here to try and bury adam, but his excessive plus frames need to go. Here are my proposed changes:

- All trait cancels are significantly less plus, and now only about 3 strings are actually plus instead of all of them. IMO 112, 113 and f12. Max amount of plus frames should be plus 7 from 113 trait.

- Ex divekick is now always -4 no matter the height it's done at.

- His shocker (where he electrocutes you) should be -6 on block with way less blockstun and pushback. Idk why it is how it is now.

Then I think he'd be perfectly balanced.
 

Wigy

There it is...
Again we only want his safe 50/50s gone.
We never said he was better than Adam, everyone knows Adam is top, we don’t deny it.
Whats his safe 50/50

Lk is punishable (although they should add more time to react and punish)

Lightning pound is interruptable

If you crouch after the first his of his f2 he gets full punished?

The issue with flash is the high execution to exploit the weaknesses in his mixups
 

Cerbero

Always down for games.
Whats his safe 50/50

Lk is punishable (although they should add more time to react and punish)

If you crouch after the first his of his f2 he gets full punished?

The issue with flash is the high execution to exploit the weaknesses in his mixups
So make LK more negative... also are we really gonna pretend Flash requires tight execution? lol