Nerfs. In november patch we have them, but that is not enough

[Meep8345]

Anyone who thinks adam needs zero changes either has no idea about his trait cancel plus frames and ex divekick plus frames, or is in blissful ignorance mode or trying to divert attention.

There is no reason in the world that a character can get to be PLUS F**CKING 23 or so off of a string into trait. Who was defending pre patch tempest Lao when he was plus 27 and saying he was fine? No one.

Also it's insane to me that he can do an instant fullscreen overhead to get in and be plus 10 because he did it low enough.

Almost all his strings can be canceled into trait making them either plus or 0, and he has a 6 frame d1 so you can't press buttons. I mean johnny and Liu players had to get dat crisp afexecution for their plus frames, and Adams get to do it for free, giving them the freest shimmy in the game.

Also yes, I know you can interrupt his d1 special, but it's hard to do and if you're off even by a frame, he gets to full combo you. Yay...

I'm not here to try and bury adam, but his excessive plus frames need to go. Here are my proposed changes:

- All trait cancels are significantly less plus, and now only about 3 strings are actually plus instead of all of them. IMO 112, 113 and f12. Max amount of plus frames should be plus 7 from 113 trait.

- Ex divekick is now always -4 no matter the height it's done at.

- His shocker (where he electrocutes you) should be -6 on block with way less blockstun and pushback. Idk why it is how it is now.

Then I think he'd be perfectly balanced.

Tempest lao when he was plus 27 was way way worse than black adam they're very different. Lao could sit there and jail you over and over with 112124 ex hat spin and build crazy meter, adam has cool-down on his trait. Not sure how you can nerf adam without hurting him too much maybe just nerf his jailing plus frames off trait to where he only jails a d1. I don't really care though since I sold the game and moving on to marvel lol.

 

[God Confirm]

The fact that 1 in 6 people to vote on this poll said Dr Fate needs nerfs, is a good indicator of why all posts on this site should be taken with extreme doubt to the validity of the people stating it lol

even half that for Brainiac is also abysmal

 

[BurdaA]

The fact that 1 in 6 people to vote on this poll said Dr Fate needs nerfs, is a good indicator of why all posts on this site should be taken with extreme doubt to the validity of the people stating it lol

even half that for Brainiac is also abysmal

I like this a lot, as a Fate/Brainiac player. Also agree with 0 bias, which is totally possible.

 

[Nobus3r1]

The fact that 1 in 6 people to vote on this poll said Dr Fate needs nerfs, is a good indicator of why all posts on this site should be taken with extreme doubt to the validity of the people stating it lol

even half that for Brainiac is also abysmal

Even ignoring the results of the poll the fact that this thread was started, what, a day after the patch dropped for most people is IMO more concerning.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Can this thread just fuck off and die? God damn why is this a thing?

 

[Zhidoreptiloid]

Can this thread just fuck off and die? God damn why is this a thing?

No, mr. dr. Fate. And I know, WHY YOU wanna closing of this thread.
Dr. Fate... is latent OP. People think, he is ok, but he is underrated.
That is why You, mr. dr. Fate, wanna for destroy of Thread of Truth and Justice

 

[AkioOf100]

9 pages in and not a single person has listed the things that make Dr. Fate "too strong" or "OP".

I can see some changes that would make him more fair, sorta.
-- Nerf B2 so that it's -14 on block (rn it's -5 and 9 frames)
-- Remove the ability to special cancel it on block, so ppl dnt just do it in the neutral and then make it safe w/ db2.

thats it really. i don't see what else is too strong about him minus b2.

 

[OmGxBdON]

No, mr. dr. Fate. And I know, WHY YOU wanna closing of this thread.
Dr. Fate... is latent OP. People think, he is ok, but he is underrated.
That is why You, mr. dr. Fate, wanna for destroy of Thread of Truth and Justice

Your character is low flying under the radar and latent op. She needs. Dmg nerf stat

 

[Dankster Morgan]

No, mr. dr. Fate. And I know, WHY YOU wanna closing of this thread.
Dr. Fate... is latent OP. People think, he is ok, but he is underrated.
That is why You, mr. dr. Fate, wanna for destroy of Thread of Truth and Justice

Not gonna lie, I chuckled at this. I don’t feel Dr. Fate needs nerfs in all seriousness. What would you do to him?

 

[neveradestroyer]

Not gonna lie, I chuckled at this. I don’t feel Dr. Fate needs nerfs in all seriousness. What would you do to him?

f2 to be a high and f2+u3 needs to be at least -20.. How come that a dedicated zoner gets a better get in tool than non zoner characters?. it's ridiculous.

 

[OmGxBdON]

f2 to be a high and f2+u3 needs to be at least -20.. How come that a dedicated zoner gets a better get in tool than non zoner characters?. it's ridiculous.

I’m sorry u get outfootsied and play aquaman the only character who is affected by fates f2u3 on block.

 

[Wigy]

I’m sorry u get outfootsied and play aquaman the only character who is affected by fates f2u3 on block.

Wait i dont follow. Is that cause of AM’a trait?

 

[Dankster Morgan]

f2 to be a high and f2+u3 needs to be at least -20.. How come that a dedicated zoner gets a better get in tool than non zoner characters?. it's ridiculous.

There’s literally no argument to be had because it’s painfully obvious you have no idea what F2 is, what Dr. Fate is, or any of it, you just wanna have something to say. If you are losing to Dr. Fate because of the block advantage of F2U3, they could delete half of his moves and you’d still lose to him.

 

[BurdaA]

Wait i dont follow. Is that cause of AM’a trait?

Yeah u3 (fromf2u3) doesn’t come out on block, except against traited aquaman.

 

[AkioOf100]

There’s literally no argument to be had because it’s painfully obvious you have no idea what F2 is, what Dr. Fate is, or any of it, you just wanna have something to say. If you are losing to Dr. Fate because of the block advantage of F2U3, they could delete half of his moves and you’d still lose to him.

im actually dying laughing rn. this is so rude and im usually the one to go "pls stop being mean" but this is H I L A R I O U S.

Dr. Fate is literally all mids up close, really GOOD mids, but still mids. And most of the time they're negative (unless he's using ankhs). So, I think he's fine. If they made his f2 a high, I'm not sure if that would really destroy the purpose of the attack, but I think it would still be redundant. It's still 9 frames, it's still super fast, it would still check his opponents for walking forward, it would still punish negative attacks. I think the main thing it would do is ruin his ability to punish attacks that are -10 or less on block if the opponent is in a crouching animation. So nah, I'll have to pass on that.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

im actually dying laughing rn. this is so rude and im usually the one to go "pls stop being mean" but this is H I L A R I O U S.

Dr. Fate is literally all mids up close, really GOOD mids, but still mids. And most of the time they're negative (unless he's using ankhs). So, I think he's fine. If they made his f2 a high, I'm not sure if that would really destroy the purpose of the attack, but I think it would still be redundant. It's still 9 frames, it's still super fast, it would still check his opponents for walking forward, it would still punish negative attacks. I think the main thing it would do is ruin his ability to punish attacks that are -10 or less on block if the opponent is in a crouching animation. So nah, I'll have to pass on that.

It would still be a good whiff punisher, but F2 xx Gyph which is Fate’s way of checking you in that range would be gone. But I guess we wanna nerf F2 the godlike “get in” too. We all know that Dr. Fate is strong because of his “get in” tools.

 

[AkioOf100]

It would still be a good whiff punisher, but F2 xx Gyph which is Fate’s way of checking you in theat range would be gone. But I guess we wanna nerf F2 the godlike “get in” too. We all know that Dr. Fate is strong because of his “get in” tools.

Lmaoooo if yall dont leave Fate alone..

 

[Wigy]

I would just like his b2 to not go over flashes d1.

But i think anyone would slap me for asking for anything to help flash.

 

[AkioOf100]

I would just like his b2 to not go over flashes d1.

But i think anyone would slap me for asking for anything to help flash.

"Go over"? As in.. like he's immune to Flash's d1 if he uses b2?

 

[Wigy]

"Go over"? As in.. like he's immune to Flash's d1 if he uses b2?

Yes.

Maybe slightly situational with timing but it happened a lot in my set with @Nausea

 

[AkioOf100]

Yes.

Maybe slightly situational with timing but it happened a lot in my set with @Nausea

omg .. that must be so sad. LOL. I support all hitbox fixes honestly. Consistency is a MUST.

 

[Wigy]

omg .. that must be so sad. LOL. I support all hitbox fixes honestly. Consistency is a MUST.

Especially considering its flashes only up close fast option. He basically cant press in fates face unless he’s done something negative.

 

[AkioOf100]

Especially considering its flashes only up close fast option. He basically cant press in fates face unless he’s done something negative.

That makes that matchup worse than it already is. At least you completely destroy Fate in the corner.

 

[Wigy]

That makes that matchup worse than it already is. At least you completely destroy Fate in the corner.

Not sure how many frames it takes for him to get into a hurtbox position where flash cant d1 him. If its low i’d be salty.

 

[haketh]

Y'all deadass ain't gonna be happy till no character can do anything in this game