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I Sense Your Dread- Scarecrow Match Up Discussion

dribirut

BLAK FELOW
I swear I hate the green trait blast. I swear I honestly rather just keep the dot damage. You know how many fucking times I have the opponent down to 5-10% health and I knock them down then think "fuck yea time to trait up and wrap this up" only to fill my bar and get that shit green blast and then have them come back...

You can't trade with a projectile and convert
Can't convert from full more than a dash away
Dot damage goes away...

Please nrs just fucking make it go away
 
I swear I hate the green trait blast. I swear I honestly rather just keep the dot damage. You know how many fucking times I have the opponent down to 5-10% health and I knock them down then think "fuck yea time to trait up and wrap this up" only to fill my bar and get that shit green blast and then have them come back...

You can't trade with a projectile and convert
Can't convert from full more than a dash away
Dot damage goes away...

Please nrs just fucking make it go away


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I swear I hate the green trait blast. I swear I honestly rather just keep the dot damage. You know how many fucking times I have the opponent down to 5-10% health and I knock them down then think "fuck yea time to trait up and wrap this up" only to fill my bar and get that shit green blast and then have them come back...

You can't trade with a projectile and convert
Can't convert from full more than a dash away
Dot damage goes away...

Please nrs just fucking make it go away
I do agree his trait could be way better, its honestly subpar compared to almost anyone else.
maybe if they made it faster it would be okay, maybe if they made it where it didn't have a time limit it would be okay. maybe if they made it where it was like a captain cold freeze and not just a knock down it would be okay.
honestly his trait and wake up is two things I would change, and maybe his teleport having a slower start up but better recovery.
I've been playing a lot more and I wouldn't say he's bottom 5, but I wouldn't say he's top 5 either. probably somewhere between 10-15.
 
I swear I hate the green trait blast. I swear I honestly rather just keep the dot damage. You know how many fucking times I have the opponent down to 5-10% health and I knock them down then think "fuck yea time to trait up and wrap this up" only to fill my bar and get that shit green blast and then have them come back...

You can't trade with a projectile and convert
Can't convert from full more than a dash away
Dot damage goes away...

Please nrs just fucking make it go away
Yeah I get super annoyed from the situation you just described. You'd really think that it would still do DOT while Traumatized is ready... like why not?
 

Red Reaper

The Hyrax Whisperer
So what good match ups does Scarecrow have? I like him and I've been using him since the beginning, but I don't see what match ups he wins that Arrow doesn't already handle. In particular, match ups like Robin, you kan get a trait much easier and he feels pretty good when I have that ability.
 

SOLEdier

IHideBehindIceClones
So what good match ups does Scarecrow have? I like him and I've been using him since the beginning, but I don't see what match ups he wins that Arrow doesn't already handle. In particular, match ups like Robin, you kan get a trait much easier and he feels pretty good when I have that ability.
Honestly, I only use Scarecrow in practice now doing combos. He just does not feel the way I thought he would. I mean he is cool and scary at the same time and looks like has good tools on paper, but its just looking like the 2012-2013 Lakers.
 

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
I do agree his trait could be way better, its honestly subpar compared to almost anyone else.
maybe if they made it faster it would be okay, maybe if they made it where it didn't have a time limit it would be okay. maybe if they made it where it was like a captain cold freeze and not just a knock down it would be okay.
honestly his trait and wake up is two things I would change, and maybe his teleport having a slower start up but better recovery.
I've been playing a lot more and I wouldn't say he's bottom 5, but I wouldn't say he's top 5 either. probably somewhere between 10-15.
I also see a change in his trait happening in the future.
 

RoboCop

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He gets shit on by canary and cheetah when they get in... I say WHEN because they will... Unless you wanna play the neutral and bait game. And even then, that's extremely risky with those two chars, especially cheetah.
You mean you don't want to play the neutral with the character who has one of the best neutrals in the game? No, I'm sure zoners give him some trouble, but Scarecrow destroys Cheetah in the neutral. She has no way to get into her comfort zone if you know what you're doing. You can check out my long set with @Chongo here (starting at 5:53) to see how well he deals with Cheetah (and ignore the weird-ass faces I make while playing...).
 

dribirut

BLAK FELOW
You mean you don't want to play the neutral with the character who has one of the best neutrals in the game? No, I'm sure zoners give him some trouble, but Scarecrow destroys Cheetah in the neutral. She has no way to get into her comfort zone if you know what you're doing. You can check out my long set with @Chongo here (starting at 5:53) to see how well he deals with Cheetah (and ignore the weird-ass faces I make while playing...).
There is no chance in hell scarecrow beats her.. zoners are whatever.. Rush down characters like cheetah are the ones who truly bend him over
 

RoboCop

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There is no chance in hell scarecrow beats her.. zoners are whatever.. Rush down characters like cheetah are the ones who truly bend him over
Do you have any reasons to back that up? Cheetah has no way to get into her necessary range besides yolo lunge, which d2 beats on reaction. You have a safe 6-frame d1 to interrupt almost all of Cheetah's pressure. Her range is too short to punish most of your specials and blockstrings. If you corner her, she has no way out. How does she bend him over?
 
Only way you're losing to Cheetah is if she out plays you. Or you get hit with her ambiguous cross ups in the corner. Otherwise there isn't much she has to be afraid of outside of random Canary Cry's.
 

TRVP6GXD

Noob
You mean you don't want to play the neutral with the character who has one of the best neutrals in the game? No, I'm sure zoners give him some trouble, but Scarecrow destroys Cheetah in the neutral. She has no way to get into her comfort zone if you know what you're doing. You can check out my long set with @Chongo here (starting at 5:53) to see how well he deals with Cheetah (and ignore the weird-ass faces I make while playing...).
Yeah I have since got comfortable with his neutral and this game entirely and dont feel as bad about the cheetah MU or the canary MU.
 

RM Truth

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I just can't really see Scarecrow losing to Cheetah, or any of the rushdown characters really. Only character that could be a problem is maybe Canary and Batman.
 

dribirut

BLAK FELOW
Only way you're losing to Cheetah is if she out plays you. Or you get hit with her ambiguous cross ups in the corner. Otherwise there isn't much she has to be afraid of outside of random Canary Cry's.
You just combined two characters. And I don't believe so.. Have you actually played a good cheetah. Get knocked down. Ggs
 
I actually can't think of a winning mu for scare crow. I just see a buuuunch of 5-5 and 4-6..
Yeah I don't think Scarecrow will have a lot of WINNING matchups mainly due to his archetype. Long-ish range footsie characters can be good, but they usually are even with anyone other than characters that absolutely require them to be in your face (like Cheetah). I think the only ones he could maybe have the advantage right now are maybe Robin, Cheetah, Bane, Swamp Thing or Catwoman. But most of these are relying on you being super good at keeping them out, so it'll depend heavily on the playstyles of each player. Like if Bane is armoring through stuff super well, then you're probably fucked. But if he's trying to play footsies himself he's gonna get bodied.
 

dribirut

BLAK FELOW
He's had so many opportunities to ask for help in this MU and all he does is just bitch lol. Probably doesn't know how to block
Chongo. I've played you countless times back to even the mk9 days when you would ask for help on how to play reptile. You're a bad player. That's why I don't trust your opinion and especially when you get all high and mighty in these forums..

I'll say this. I could be wrong about the mus but from what I've talked to other high level players who actually play the mus at a high level, they agree as well